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A review of the latest Fedora Core release, code named "Bordeaux", the Fedora Core 5, which has proven itself to be one of the best Linux Distributions out there.

Introduction

Fedora Core 5, code name Bordeaux, was meant to be released on Wednesday the 15th of March, 9 months after its predecessor Stentz. A lot of people were waiting for it with great expectations. But 5 days before the official release, an announcement was made, the event was postponed to Monday the 20th. The announcement suggested that Fedora Core 5 would be the first distribution to include the new Gnome 2.14, released on the 15th of March.

Ten days later, there was a lot of excitement and everybody was eagerly awaiting the release. The rumor had it, Bordeaux would hit the shelves at 2pm UTC! A Swiss mirror leaked some ISO on the 17th and was quickly overwhelmed by the mass of people trying to download from it. Fedora forums were buzzing. A few minutes before 2pm, some 584 people were viewing this thread and probably constantly refreshing their browsers to be the first to see where to get the ISOs fro,.

Stanton Finley had already published the Fedora Core 5 Linux Installation Notes (which you should read if you plan to install and use Fedora) here

Finally, at 2pm the 5 ISO CDs were available on http://download.fedora.redhat.com. The official website hadn't been updated yet, but the ISO were there and people were already celebrating the new release.

Later on that day, Bordeaux became available on Fedora mirrors, an entry was made in http://www.distrowatch.com, the official repositories became available for Fedora Core 5 and the official website was updated. It even became available at the Livna repositories.

I became quite excited myself and I decided to find out if Bordeaux really deserved all that hype. I could have opted for a 5 CD installation or for the DVD, but there were so many people hitting the mirrors that download speeds were very slow. After asking some questions, I found out that only CD1 and CD2 were required for the default installation, and that I could use the package management to install extra software later, directly from the repositories.

During the download I took the opportunity to read some websites and forums. I had also spent some time during the week end on the #fedora IRC channel on irc.freenode.net. The Fedora community is huge. Its forums are very active, its websites are full of documentation and are very easy to read. I also found a lot of help and a good ambiance in its IRC channel.

I finally got the two ISO files. I checked their sha1sum and burned them on discs. I was then ready to boot on the first CD of the newly released Fedora Core 5. Now it was simply a question of finding out how good the distribution itself was going to be...

{mospagebreak title=Installation}

Installation

The first thing you see when you boot on the CD, is a graphical Grub menu . As you can see below, Fedora Core 5 uses a new logo. In fact, this logo appears everywhere within the distribution accompanied by the "Fedora Bubbles" theme and backgrounds. Apart from the usual options, the menu allows you to run a memory test, to check the integrity of your CDs and to boot in a rescue mode, which features tools that are designed to fix broken installations. I wanted to test the default installation so I simply pressed Enter.

The Grub Menu

A default kernel was then loaded. There was no boot splash, and a text-based menu appeared. It asked me if I wanted to check the integrity of my CDs. Then, the system started X and ran a beautiful installer: Anaconda. Its welcome screen is particularly good looking and gave me a really good first-impression. I also liked the fact that it included the distribution's release notes.

Anaconda: Welcome screen

The Anaconda installer guides you through different steps of the installation. First, you have to select your language. Fedora supports a lot of languages as does Anaconda. Then you have to choose your keyboard layout. I was disappointed not to be able to test the selected keyboard layout before validating my choice. I remember the Slackware text-based installer provided that test. It's a pity Anaconda doesn't do the same. This is a minor problem however.

Anaconda then asks you topartition your drives and offers 4 options:

  • Remove all partitions and create a default layout
  • Remove all Linux partitions and create a default layout
  • Use the free space on selected drives
  • Create a custom layout

If you opt for the default partition layout, an option to review and modify it becomes available. I chose to remove all partitions and went for a default layout. A warning message told me that removing my partitions could make me loose some data. I appreciated that. A little warning can sometimes prevent great mistakes from being made, and partitioning drives is not always easy for novice users.

Anaconda then asks if you want to install a boot loader. The choice is extremely simple: Grub or no boot loader at all :) However, a lot of options are provided to configure Grub. For instance, you can add a password to it, define default boot parameters for the kernel, force LBA32, and choose to write Grub in the MBR. You can also add, remove or edit boot entries very easily.

Anaconda then tries to configure your network and lists your network devices. For each device you can decide if you want it to be activated on boot and if you want to use DHCP or to configure it manually.

You then have to choose your geographical location. For that, Anaconda provides a clickable world map. Then, you're asked to choose a password for the root superuser. And last but not least, you are asked to make a selection among the various software applications included in Fedora. In here, you can choose "office and productivity", "software development", "web server" or you can customize the software selection to suit your needs. As I only burned the first two CDs, I went for the default options.

Anaconda: Software selection screen

Finally, the screen below appeared. It told me where the install log was stored and that the installation options I chose had been saved. This was a pleasant surprise. Not only it is saved, but you are shown where to look for it. Also, the screen suggested Anaconda had all the information it needed to start installing Fedora on my machine. I could sit back and relax while the installation was going on. I really liked the fact that everything was asked first, and that the installer only started to work once it knew all that it needed.

Anaconda: Beginning the installation

I pressed the "Next" button, and the installation began. Anaconda formatted my drives and showed me the following screen.

Anaconda: installing packages...

While Anaconda was installing the packages on my hard drive, a progress bar indicated how much was installed and the name, version and description of the packages being installed were written under it. After a little while, an estimation of the remaining time appeared as well. Depending on your hardware capabilities and the speed of your CPU, the installation can take more or less time. Some installers use this time to show adverts (remember Mandrake 9.2) or to tell you how your life will be forever changed by this formidable experience (remember Windows XP), using shiny pictures and big slogans. Anaconda was not like that. It simply did the job, it looked nice, and it even let me mix fun and duty by giving me the opportunity to read the release notes. I really liked that.

8 minutes before the end, I had to change the CD. I wish I didn't have to, but I can't really blame Anaconda for that :) The remaining time estimation went up a bit, but since it's only an estimation, I didn't pay too much attention to it.

Finally, the installer finished, the CD got ejected and I was congratulated for the hard work. In fairness, I didn't do much, Anaconda did most of it, but since I did read the release notes I suddenly felt like I deserved some congratulations...

Anaconda: Installation complete

Anaconda didn't only install Fedora on my machine. It gave me a really good impression of it, and after reading the release notes, I couldn't wait to push the "Reboot" button and to start looking at my newly installed operating system.

{mospagebreak title=First Boot}

First Boot

Upon reboot, Fedora started with a graphical Grub menu. It used the "bubble" theme which I saw in Anaconda.

Default Grub installed by Anaconda. First boot on the hard drive.

Once the kernel was loaded, the boot process got hidden behind a boot splash screen. However the user can decide to show the details and see its output. The overall process is very pleasant.

Boot splash screen

Just when I finally thought I was going to log in Fedora, a Setup Agent required me to answer another set of questions. I would have preferred Anaconda to ask me everything at once and I didn't really like being asked twice, but the Setup Agent was pleasant to the eyes so I didn't mind too much. First, it asked me to accept a License agreement, then to answer some questions in order to configure my firewall and SELinux (a kernel fedora improvement which addresses security issues). It also set the date and time and offered an option to use NTP. It then asked me to choose my screen resolution and guided me through the configuration of my sound card. Finally, it allowed me to define a user and to set its password.

The Setup Agent

Once the Setup Agent finished, the system is ready to be used.

{mospagebreak title=Inside Fedora}

Inside Fedora

GDM started and I was ready to log in. Here, the same theme is used, made of the new Fedora logo and the blue bubbles, as seen in Grub, the boot splash and the installer.

After I logged in, Gnome started to load and a splash screen appeared. I don't know if this is an improvement made by Gnome or by Fedora, but Gnome was much faster to start than before. The splash screen only appeared for a few seconds.

Gnome splash screen

Finally, here I was, looking at the default Fedora Core 5 desktop. I personally think it's beautiful. I remember being impressed when Bluecurve was first released, and although it was replaced in Fedora Core 4 by Clearlooks as the default theme, it looks like the desktop is becoming more and more good-looking. The widgets are very nice, the fonts are perfect, and the theme matches the ones found in Anaconda, Grub, GDM and the boot splash.

The default Fedora Core 5 desktop

Gnome 2.14 also brought some innovations which make the desktop even nicer to use. For instance the power battery indicator now features really nice popups when the power cable is switched off or when the battery is fully charged. A lot of nice applets come with the default installation. Among others I particularly appreciated a CPU frequency monitor and "Tomboy notes". This applets allows you to write sticky notes in a very intuitive way. If you haven't tried it before you should definitely do so. Also, if you run something that requires the root password, the desktop remembers that you have the authorization and doesn't ask you anymore. A little applet is shown and the feature can be deactivated. I found that very nice!

The desktop is very impressive and well integrated. It's actually hard to say what was done by Fedora and what was done by Gnome, but the end-result is very good.

Fedora Core 5 features the new Gnome 2.14 and a nice Fedora Help section.

I plugged a USB key to see if it would be mounted automatically. It worked out of the box, and even showed a popup saying that there wasn't much space left on it :) An icon sat on my desk to show the removable device. That device also appeared in the "Places" menu and in "Computer".

Places in Gnome 2.14 and CD/DVD Creator

I was impressed by the built-in CD/DVD burning features of the desktop. If you right click on a CD, you can start copying it to an ISO file. Also, an application called "CD/DVD Creator " is included and allows you to easily burn data on discs.

Integrated copy-disc feature in context menu

The file system is easily accessible through Nautilus and Windows networks are detected automatically. I found that accessing devices, file systems and networks was very easy.

Computer, windows network, file system..

By default, Nautilus, the Gnome file explorer, opens each folder in a new window. But it is possible to run the File Browser, in order to navigate through the file system in a single window. Gnome also includes new search features which makes it easier to find files wherever you are.

The Gnome File Browser

Thanks to the Gnome Theme Manager it is also very easy to change and modify your desktop theme. Fedora comes with two really good looking themes: Bluecurve and Clearlooks.

The Gnome Themes Manager

Fedora Core 5 is up to date and offers a very good software selection. The default email program is Evolution 2.6 and sendmail works out of the box. The default browser is Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.1 and it opens by default on the Fedora Core 5 Release Notes (which I though was another good idea). Also, the default productivity suite is OpenOffice 2.0.2. Among other applications, the distribution features Gaim 1.5, The Gimp 2.2.10, KDE 3.5.1, Mozilla 1.7.12, Linux 2.6.15, Thunderbird 1.5 and Xorg 7.0.

Some of the applications included in Fedora Core 5: OpenOffice 2.0.2, Firefox 1.5.0.1, Evolution 2.6.0.

The Accessories menu items

A little detail caught my attention, there was no IRC client installed by default in the Internet menu. This is quite a pity considering how active and useful the #fedora channel is. I also thought the menu items could be more consistent. For instance, some items are named after the application they launch (ex: Firefox Web Browser), others after the purpose they serve (ex: Email), and others even consist in sentences (ex: Add/Remove Software). This is only a detail, but it could be easily improved in the next releases.

The Internet menu items

Fedora Core 5 provides two graphical tools to update the system and to install new applications. Both tools rely on YUM and its repositories. Pup replaces up2date and allows the user to update the packages that are already installed on the machine, and for which a new version has become available.

Pup

Pirut, which can be run by clicking on Add/Remove Software, in the Applications menu, allows the user to list available and installed packages, to browse them by category and to search packages by keyword. With this tool, you can easily install or remove packages, depending on your needs.

Pirut

I was finished exploring the desktop, and it was now time for me to setup my hardware and to mold the distribution according to my needs. With a bit of help found in #fedora I got various pieces of hardware detected and configured, and I decided to keep Fedora Core 5 as my main distribution on my laptop.

{mospagebreak title=Conclusion}

Conclusion

I was never a Fedora fan myself. I started using Slackware Linux, then I got addicted to the Debian APT package management and I finally ended up running Kubuntu. I never paid too much attention to what was going on in Fedora. In fact, the last release I tried was Fedora Core 1. So I didn't have much expectations about "Bordeaux", even though I got more and more excited over the release after I had talked to some people from the Fedora community. I have to say though: this distribution impressed me in a way that no other distribution did before. Some things should of course be improved, such as the automatic hardware detection or, as mentioned above, the menus. But apart from these little details I can confidently say that Fedora Core 5 is the best desktop GNU/Linux distribution available at the moment. Suse and Ubuntu are working on their next release, for sure this Fedora release placed the bar higher than it has ever been before. A giant step was made in making Linux ready for the desktop and Bordeaux is proof of this.

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Comments about this article
Business Development Manager
writen by: David Duffey on 2006-03-22 18:39:08
Thanks for the excellent Fedora Core 5 review. I've been running FC5 for a few days on my laptop now and there are a few other desktop oriented features I love. - [b]NetworkManager[/b] (chkconfig two init scripts to get it functional). My networking (wired/wireless/vpn) all now "just work" and I never have to ifup/down again. It adds a nifty applet to your gnome toolbar. - [b]Suspend/resume[/b] work as expected. Some work went in at the last minute to make sure many popular laptops work out of the box. - [b]SCIM[/b] replaces IIMF for international input and it has a more familiar feel for those used to other mainstream Desktops David
RE: Business Development Manager written by David Duffey:
FC 5 not good
writen by: hs on 2006-03-23 04:04:58
In the last two days I played with FC 5 and I can say this is a real pain. Distribution like this will force the standard pc user to use Microsoft and not Linux. 3d drivers are not supported, an the other side they offer to download games like the battle for wesnoth, why? Also mp3 files can not be played to. VLC or MPlayer can not be installed. For who is this written and why? I can not and will not offer a distribution like this in my PC shop.
RE: FC 5 not good written by hs:
Soundcard / theme / user setup
writen by: Robby Ranshous on 2006-03-23 09:40:05
I understand why one might apreciate being asked all questions in the initial anaconda setup, but I think the 2 part setup serves a deeper purpose. If I were an admin or an IT person setting up boxes for various part of an office envirenment, I would like to do the initial hardware setup for the box and leave the fine configuration to the user(s) the box is shipping to.
RE: Soundcard / theme / user setup written by Robby Ranshous:
No IRC Client?
writen by: Jordan on 2006-03-23 09:41:49
In the review, you mention that you are dissapointed that no IRC client is included. Actually, Gaim (Applications > Internet > Instant Messenger) handles IRC responsibilities.
RE: No IRC Client? written by Jordan:
Fedora Core 5 Review (linuxforums)
writen by: Rahul Sundaram on 2006-03-23 09:51:22
[quote]Hello Clement Lefebvre, While on the lookout for good reviews on the latest release of Fedora Core, I came across your excellent one (http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/fedora_core_5_review.html) and I would like to add some comments. I like the way the review starts out with a look at the buzz around the release and the community rather than just the software bits. Its quite surprising that many reviews completely drop off that aspect of a open source project. While Anaconda has gone through a major revamp in Fedora Core 5, we have been receiving feedback on going the extra mile by improving the level of polish and tackling better some of the minor issues. The ability to test a keyboard layout seems to be one of them that you have highlighed in the review. It doesnt seem to be a requested feature so far, so I went ahead and filed a RFE (Request for Enhancement) against Anaconda. Refer to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186408 for more details. I would appreciate if you can add more details to it. We have this feedback procedure on both the release notes and the release itself documented in our release notes that you seem to be fond of reading at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#sn- Feedback. You have remarked that you didnt like that the Firstboot program asked a few questions on well... the first boot instead of Anaconda asking everything upfront. There is a reason behind that which might not be immediately obvious. All the options asked in Anaconda are required steps to complete the installation while the rest of the Firstboot ones are optional (though highly recommended). This two step process helps streamline the interface better while letting the user skip the optional steps easily. While IRC is indeed a useful application combined with the Freenode Fedora IRC channels such as #fedora, it is not in general a popular means of communication for a typical desktop user. We probably need to set aside our Linux-y view of things a bit on that. What you consider a inconsistency on the menu is something that has been decided after careful thought and the menus have even more streamlined specifically in Fedora Core 5 by the Red Hat desktop team. In general applications are named after the task they perform rather than the application name itself with the exception of a few well known brands like Firefox. This has been found to be beneficial in actual usability tests where many of the candidates who found out the application quickly cited Firefox as a familiar name associated with a Internet browser that aided them in performing the task or browsing the web quickly. The conclusion that ... "I never paid too much attention to what was going on in Fedora. In fact, the last release I tried was Fedora Core 1. So I didn't have much expectations about "Bordeaux", even though I got more and more excited over the release after I had talked to some people from the Fedora community. I have to say though: this distribution impressed me in a way that no other distribution did before. Some things should of course be improved, such as the automatic hardware detection or, as mentioned above, the menus. But apart from these little details I can confidently say that Fedora Core 5 is the best desktop GNU/Linux distribution available at the moment. Suse and Ubuntu are working on their next release, for sure this Fedora release placed the bar higher than it has ever been before. A giant step was made in making Linux ready for the desktop and “Bordeaux” is proof of this." is indeed great to hear but I would appreciate if you can let us know which hardware you found was not detected or auto configured by default on the system to see whether we can improve on that in our subsequents releases of Fedora. Thank you for evaluating and providing detailed feedback in the form of a seemingly popular review on Fedora Core 5. Rahul [/quote] -- Received by email. Copied with the authorization of the author. -- Clem.
RE: Fedora Core 5 Review (linuxforums) written by Rahul Sundaram:
What about normal users?
writen by: Ilsa on 2006-03-23 12:18:39
Another commentor mentioned having trouble with things like 3D and mp3s. Having trouble with 3D support is understandable since linux is dependant on what the dominant video chip manufacturers provide, however would argue that the mp3 comment is a critical one. I haven't tried the distro myself so I don't know if what HS said is true or not, however I have given up on linux in the past because of stupid but absolutely infuriating things like not being able to watch a movie in a particular format until I went through hell downloading this package and that doohickey and copying windows DLLs into a special directory, blah blah blah. In the end I got it working, but I was downright peeved that I had to bother going through all that in the FIRST place. The true test of whether linux is ready for the desktop, is if an average user can do basic trivial tasks, like watching a video clip, without having to dig through linux internals. Whether linux is [i]capable[/i] of such things is irrelevant. The question is, can it be done with minimal [i]effort[/i]. Until basic trivial tasks like handling multimedia is at least as painless as how it is handled in Windows, Linux will never gain significant mindshare from the average user.
RE: What about normal users? written by Ilsa:
Definitly not
writen by: emiliosdance on 2006-03-23 18:28:10
Projects like this , will help windows do be the King
RE: Definitly not written by emiliosdance:
Common User
writen by: Juan on 2006-03-23 18:58:55
Hi, my name is john, im a mid level user, i installed de Fedora core5 las night, the first thing i realized is that it detected, or at least it link, my USB-ADSL modem Conexant. That was a surprice, but i coudnt make it run, because in the internet connection configuration i couldnt with it. Another thing that i didnt like, was the fact that any of my FAT32/NTFS partitions was detected, nor automatic mounted or even added to the ftab... well hope to be of use some how... c yas
RE: Common User written by Juan:
No good?
writen by: listman on 2006-03-23 23:54:38
VLC and mplayer is easy rpm -Uvh http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/4/freshrpms-release/freshrpms-release-1.1-1.fc.noarch.rpm yum update yum install mplayer videolan-client enjoy. As for games Linux is still suffering from the chicken and egg syndrome. I still use windows for gaming, sorry. The drivers are getting better and nvidia is slowly coming around. I've tried ubuntu, mandrake, suse, knoppix and really there are not a ton of differences, yes there are some but not a bunch. Linux is becoming a threat to windows and more and more people are starting to write their software to run on Linux, including the larger game developers, especially their server software. I'm not a huge hater but the MS empire is slowly crumbling, Vista just got bumped again, users are still cursing the popups, viruses and adware, who is that software for? Come on now, they both have things that need work but the competition is good for all of us. Redhat continues to strive on, their stock price is a perfect reflection of that. I cant help but laugh at the stock market now, AMD is higher than Intel and RedHat is higher than MS, yes I know the volume is different but hey it's time for the little guys to get theirs. Long live RedHat and the Fedora community. Thanks for FC5 guys I think its great.
RE: No good? written by listman:
Why FC/Redhat doesn't support Mp3 etc
writen by: hanishkvc on 2006-03-24 05:47:42
Hi, There is no issue with linux being able to play Mp3 or some of the other codecs directly or with no effort. But some distros like FC don't support many of the codecs by default more from a licensing or ambiguity there of in the licensing terms for some of these codecs. So they suggest and support alternate codecs like OGG by default. So people using these distros will have to get a good multimedia player like mplayer or xine to add these supports to their system. And most of the major codecs are supported by mplayer today natively without requiring additional windows dlls. Keep ;-)
RE: Why FC/Redhat doesn't support Mp3 etc written by hanishkvc:
mr
writen by: brynn on 2006-03-25 11:04:52
A couple of years ago there where issues with playing mp3`s and certain video formats but its not a problem any more, that`s providing you can follow simple instructions like "yum install xmms-mp3" and if you can`t your probably better off with a record player. Good work on fc5 everyone who participated
RE: mr written by brynn:
FC5 is looking good
writen by: sailor on 2006-03-25 11:34:16
Thanks for the good review! I had problems with my first install attemp. I think it may have been related to the nvidia workaround i used or selinux or both. One more fresh clean install later, I had everything up and running. DVDs and mp3s are working after using the livna repository for the required rpms. I see that it is already moving up in the Distrowatch list (check the current month stats). Plenty of forums and websites already have FC5 install tutorials if needed. Way to go, Fedora Project!!!
RE: FC5 is looking good written by sailor:
writen by: Sarah on 2006-03-26 19:23:36
A very good release let down by some ongoing niggles. Most seriously, my initial boot fo the installation CDs failed. After a search of Fedora Forums, I found I had to remap vmlinuz and the initrc.img and the installation then proceeded without issue. The software itself is a huge step forward, with GNOME 2.14 being a major break through for Linux on the desktopGNOME is starting to feel comparable in power to KDE whilst still retaining its notable simplicity. The FIrefox upgrade is welcome and with a stable release of Open Office including the default OASIS file format, Linux on the desktop is starting to look viable. Disappointingly, though, Evolution seems to have a problem whereby the user can not swtich between modules such as mail and calendar via the sidebar. Each cna be launched from the applications menu as standalone components though. DVDs and CDs do not automatically appear on the desktop when loaded but navigating through the filestrucutre and clikcing them makes them appear. Also disappointing for a 5 disk download is that much software appears to have been relegated to online repositories making them difficult to obtain for those with very slow or non-existent network links. Chief amongst these is Scribus, meaning that Fedora ships without a DTP program on the install disks. A good HTML editor (such as Bluetooth) is also missing.) Given the range of software Mandriva ships on a similar number of disks, this lack of choice is extremely poor. Despite these negatives, as the reviewer ntoes, this is a major step forward for desktop Linux, looking and feeling both powerful and stunning. It seems this is the year that Fedora (and GNOME) have come of age.
RE: written by Sarah:
mp3 support in FC5
writen by: Mohit Soni on 2006-03-26 20:29:36
I would disagree about the mp3 support. When avergae joe buys a system, even with very simple instruction s on how to enable mp3, it is still a burden to tick new users off. Look at it objectively, If I know *nothing* about Linux, I try it out, the installation is simple and fast and everything is up and running (unless a problem happens, in which case you need a linux guru, but that is infrequent now). I boot into FC5, I am stunned by the gorgeus yet simple desktop. My things work. Then I open a music player and play my favorite mp3 and zap nothing. WTF, I simply trash linux and start windows, no going to forums etc., nothing at all. Lets face it, first impressions count, they can be overcome, but that is much harder in comparision. I cannot even understand why Fedora can't use the Fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin (licensed under LGPL) and add the one missing element which stops fedora from being great. Licensing, patent issues and DMCA are the three evils which are stunting linux growth. I am not from US, so I can't do anything about it. I just hope peole in US do something about it. We are just letting M$ win.
RE: mp3 support in FC5 written by Mohit Soni:
FC5 and Toshiba Tecra S3
writen by: Alexandre Alves on 2006-03-27 02:12:41
Well, I don't use windows anymore not even for gaming. But as soon I knew about FC5 I've downloaded and tried to install it ... It took me one day to install it do disk (it didn't see my harddrive) so I have to change initrd force the preload of the correct driver. My wireless modem (CDMA/EVDO) is detected but it doesn't let be put the full speed. The max FC5 lets me choose is 400k/s instead of 1.4Mb/s. If I have the modem connect and conect a usb pen the system hangs. In my opinion, if a user that starts using linux with FC5 with this laptop for example is pretty screwed. I've used Suse 10 and everything works just fine. I'll still give it a shot because after I took a look in some forums, I've been able to instal nvidia-drivers, oracle 10g express and even sound. (this is due to bug in the alsa package it's reported). Well that all for now:)
RE: FC5 and Toshiba Tecra S3 written by Alexandre Alves:
MP3 DVD support costs $$$ even on window
writen by: Richard on 2006-03-27 07:29:28
OK, For starters Fedora is a "free operating system" and the mp3 format is not free at all(its owned my Thomson), neither are the DVD decoders. Unless your paying for Linux your not going to get mp3 decoders or dvd decoders without adding a third party package repository with "any distro". Adding a third party package repository is pretty much a no brainer with Fedora and many other distributions and information on how to do it is readily available on www.google.com/linux So stop complaining about something your paying bugger all for, and spend 10 min setting up the package manager, once its done thats it, you never have to do it again untill the next install/update.
RE: MP3 DVD support costs $$$ even on window written by Richard:
indeed
writen by: superstoned on 2006-03-27 09:31:54
you're soo right. in windows, users have to go too lots of work to get many basic apps installed - they have to pay or do it illegal. the only basic thing linux does NOT do by default is play mp3 and dvd - and those can be fixed in 5 min by an expert and 20 by a noob. windows, on the other hand, has no cd burning application, no decent audio and video players, no office suite, no decent drawing application and i could go on and on.
RE: indeed written by superstoned:
Not true
writen by: Steve Branley on 2006-03-27 10:22:20
The comment about no distro giving non-free codecs out of the box is not true. Slackware provides the tools necessary for both mp3 and video out of the box. And the inability to play some formats (WMV springs to mind) are because the actual specifications for the format are not made public. That's why windows DLL's are needed - only MS knows the specs for their stupid proprietry format.
RE: Not true written by Steve Branley:
Make windows king? no way!
writen by: Dan on 2006-03-27 11:41:15
What do you mean? That makes absolutely no sense. Projects like this will not make Windows king. The only advantage to Windows at the moment is the amount of games that are supported. Almost every office / everyday piece of software has a counterpart in Linux that is either equal to or better than the Windows version. Being able to do everyday tasks and play games in Linux for free compared to Windows that will charge you 200 bucks for little extra.
RE: Make windows king? no way! written by Dan:
You get what you pay for.
writen by: chuck on 2006-03-27 13:01:08
[i]When avergae joe buys a system[/i] And that is exactly the point. If you buy a system then you can expect the seller to license mp3, license the DVD drivers, and support Nvidia supplied binary drivers. Fedora is free as in beer. RedHat isn't going to spend money to license and support stuff for a system they give away for free, nor are they going to expose themselves to the lawyers. Fedora is a good system for hackers and hobbyists but it doesn't always work perfectly because it is very cutting edge. If you want stability and all the bells and whistles, then buy a distribution that actually costs money. Or buy a Mac.
RE: You get what you pay for. written by chuck:
You're kidding?
writen by: Spaz on 2006-03-27 14:29:04
[i]VLC and mplayer is easy rpm -Uvh http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/4/freshrpms-release/freshrpms-release-1.1-1.fc.noarch.rpm yum update yum install mplayer videolan-client[/i] Yeah, Linux is going to take over the world... right! Do you know how much of a pain-in-the-a** it is trying to get the average mom-and-pop user to open a command prompt just to run ping or tracert on an internet-enabled Windows computer? While you *have* to dick around with the command line to do installations like this Windows will always attract more users. Don't get me wrong - I'm truly looking forward all Linux GUI's unifying, getting cross-application consistency and total control. Down with Windows!
RE: You're kidding? written by Spaz:
Absolutly!
writen by: Dan on 2006-04-01 01:28:44
I've been a Linux user for about 3 years now, and so I underdtand the legal niggles and constraints behind stuff such as MP3 support. The problem though is with New Users. New Users typically have experience with Windows, which mollycoddles them and hides anything that could possibly become even slightly complex. Ask a typical windows user to edit a configuration file and restart a program, and they'd be completly lost! The real area where Linux needed to build it's strength was support for new users, and with godsends like the IRC channel and the brilliant Fedora Documentation, New Users finally have a route to getting their problems solved. Roll on penguin world domination!
RE: Absolutly! written by Dan:
CTO
writen by: Fady Matar on 2006-04-01 02:35:23
I've installed successfully Fedora Core 5 on my Acer 2026 WLMi laptop and everything worked perfectly. Regarding the 3D support you might consider setting up yum propoerly and downloading the 3D driver from the online repository. www.fedorafaq.org is a great support. Enjoy
RE: CTO written by Fady Matar:
writen by: Kneewobbler_1 on 2006-04-01 03:28:13
I too, was looking forward to FC5. But I don't understand the claim that it's the best liunx desktop around. Firstly, it's not intended to be: it's a power-user-and-more distro. Secondly, from a WinXP user standpoint (no one should use Windows as a reference thought), Ubuntu is second to none. I think about installing FC5 side-by-side with Breezy Badger on an Amd64. That space is currently occupied by OpenSuSE 10.0. I'm sceptical, because my first install of FC5 on an x86 showed udev crashing after a first update hung. fcsk didn't repair things enough. That's unacceptable. Overall, FC5 looks much improved. I like the built-in Ekiga SIP client, for instance. And Eclipse is also included. But as far as hardware recognition and stability is concerned, (Webcams for instance), my beta of Dapper Drake runs circles around FC5. So I'm going to use it as it's intended: a distro to chew on, to work with, to experiment with. I'm lucky if it proves to be more compatible with SIP and bluetooth than SuSE 10, which, despite all the YaST eye candy, is annoying (outdated apps and such - not updated by the "standard" repositories, always hardware troubles that are absent in other distros). If it isn't, SuSE 10.1 is not too far away. If you wanna configure everything yourself, by the way, Arch Linux is absolutely great.
RE: written by Kneewobbler_1:
Please go to fedoraforum.org
writen by: Clearer on 2006-04-01 10:17:24
Your post is more relevant in fedoraforum.org - please go there in the future. If you have any formatted partitions when installing, you have the option to specify mountpoints during the installation. This will allow you to automount vfat partitions (fat32) but not ntfs, as fedora core does not (and will never) have ntfs drivers. This is due to patents concerns and there is no use complaining about it. The same goes with mp3 support, wmv, wma and other patented technologies. Most of these are not needed and are actually inferior to what the OSC provides free of charge and (often) easier to use.
RE: Please go to fedoraforum.org written by Clearer:
Oracle on FC5
writen by: kura on 2006-04-04 03:00:56
RE: Oracle on FC5 written by kura:
Oracle on FC5 - XE works!
writen by: kura on 2006-04-04 08:58:31
Yes, Express Edition is better for FC5. I just downloaded it and installed without problems.
RE: Oracle on FC5 - XE works! written by kura:
security
writen by: Humboldt on 2006-04-08 17:27:18
Well, Ubuntu is a nice distro, but I would say Fedora is moore cutting edge But moore important, Fedora has a couple of security implementations that make it more secure than Ubuntu. Fedora has Exec-Shield for buffer overflow protection, It has Executable and Linkable Format - Data Hardening and it has SElinux. Ubuntu has- well nothing.
RE: security written by Humboldt:
FC5
writen by: amit on 2006-04-09 10:53:23
Hi all! I have a problem with FC5. The pirut software is not working. It says "Retreiving SOftware Information" and then it can't retreive it. Can anyone please help me?
RE: FC5 written by amit:
NTFS support
writen by: Maui Nick on 2006-04-12 19:46:13
Try this link for a how-to: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html#NTFS
RE: NTFS support written by Maui Nick:
Evolution Bug
writen by: Tu Holmes on 2006-04-12 20:46:45
I too found this bug, however If you click the view pull down at the top, you can say "View Buttons", that will allow you to do the button click to switch between calendar, and inbox or whatever... I just messed around enough, and there it was
RE: Evolution Bug written by Tu Holmes:
Pup Issue
writen by: Tu Holmes on 2006-04-12 20:53:19
Are you behind a proxy? Do you have an internet connection. Pirut (and pup) both use Yum repositories and must be able to access information via HTTP. In my office, I have to set the http_proxy and ftp_proxy items as root from a command line, then start pirut (or pup) manually from the command line, after that, it works just fine. If you have no internet, you can probably get around that, but I have no idea how... I've never needed to.
RE: Pup Issue written by Tu Holmes:
Evolution sidebar
writen by: byron on 2006-04-12 22:17:49
Just a note...if you go to View->Switcher Appearance->(click on)Hide buttons, you should now be able to get to all features of Evolution with the sidebar. Enjoy!
RE: Evolution sidebar written by byron:
Pirut
writen by: Dragosn on 2006-04-13 13:35:31
Pirut working is dependant on the existence of an active Internet connection. More precisely when you execute it, it tries to connect to the Fedora repositories specified in the yum repo files. If you are not connected to the Internet it obviously fails and exits. I suspect this to be your problem. Side-tracking a bit, having read a few Fedora Core 5 reviews already I am surprised I haven't yet seen this issue brought up. Speaking from the perspective of a user with console-fobia (which I would assume is the typical type as far as converting Windows users goes), Pirut is the default package manager. It even sounds like the default package manager on the 'start' menu. Now, having heard great things about it and getting tired of Windows for many obvious reasons, I have happily purchased or downloaded or what have you, my new copy of Fedora Core 5. My friend already tried it and told me installation is a breeze so I go ahead and install the default system (i.e. without selecting packages individually) successfully. Everything works, the system looks and feels great, I am truly impressed. In case I forgot to mention, I am reasonably proficient at messing around with options and configuration of software as long as it doesn't involve command line trickery. So I browse around the software installed and decide that some of it I am not comfortable with. Or I do not need. Or there are things that I need and are not there. So I fire up Pirut from the 'start' menu to customize my installation of this great system. I haven't yest set up an Internet connection, either I do not have one or I have a wireless card or a modem that as far as I know is notoriously difficult to get working, so I'll bother reading all the forums etc. later. Or I'm simply too excited about my system to bother. The result: I cannot seem to 'add or remove programs' on my new system. Pirut tries and fails without much fuss or explanation. What sort of system is this if I don't have any control over the software that's being installed? Back to my old Windows system with all its issues. Surely if I'm having problems with something as simple as this with a freshly installed copy of Fedora Core 5 I'll need a PhD to sort out stuff that might come up later. End. Apologies for being long-winded.
RE: Pirut written by Dragosn:
Mr.
writen by: Bruce on 2006-04-14 09:02:31
I think you'd find that no average user would do a ping or a traceroute in the first place. Ubuntu is much better at multimedia support as it has the multiverse repository.
RE: Mr. written by Bruce:
NOT!
writen by: manny on 2006-04-18 08:13:55
Sorry buddy! I have to disagree with you on the whole "best GNU/Linux desktop distro. I was a hard core Fedora user myself and was disappointed with many of the things that were wrong with this release. I've stuck to Ubuntu/Kubuntu which I believe are far better than Fedora.
RE: NOT! written by manny:
remap vmlinuz and the initrc ?
writen by: Brad on 2006-05-02 03:41:08
Sarah :- "I had to remap vmlinuz and the initrc.img" could you tell me where you got this info as I cannot load FC5 and am desperately trying anything. Thanx.
RE: remap vmlinuz and the initrc ? written by Brad:
developer
writen by: leo charre on 2006-05-02 14:27:31
Actually.. It's not so simple. For everyday users . yes they should use linux.. screw games.. they can watch tv for mindless entertainment. But.. for businesses.. this is hard.. because they use a lot of 3rd party software that will not run on windows. I do support and it for companies.. and a lot of their stuff will NOT run on linux. i wish it did! architects use funny cad stuff , accountants use mass 200 or some other thing.. these are NOT replaceable by linux counterparts. sadly. these companies.. *they* are where microsoft gets their money, not mom and pop. besides.. if mom and po are running linux, i just ssh into that box and fix whatever their problem is.. it doesnt matter if they dont know how.
RE: developer written by leo charre:
another NOT!
writen by: Wayne on 2006-05-10 19:39:27
Add me into the Ubuntu column for satisfaction. Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10 worked out of the box. And Automatix is icing on the cake.
RE: another NOT! written by Wayne:
Is there any alternative to this ?
writen by: Rajendran on 2006-05-30 01:44:49
I just wondered whether there is any alternative to work with pirut to 'add or remove programs' without an internet connection.
RE: Is there any alternative to this ? written by Rajendran:
I don't think wmv is proprietary
writen by: Anthony on 2006-05-30 20:19:55
Though the information I have gotten may be wrong, wmv is just stupid windows extension used for asf files.
RE: I don't think wmv is proprietary written by Anthony:
No IRC client eh?
writen by: Vincent0ne- on 2006-06-10 07:10:49
Hi all Fedora 5 has an IRC client called Xchat, or u can compile Kvirc. Heres an Output of ctcp version on FC 5's xchat * Received a CTCP VERSION from Vincent0ne- -Vincent0ne-- VERSION xchat 2.6.0 Linux 2.6.16-1.2122_FC5 [x86_64/1.00GHz] Basically I did it myself Excuse the 1.00GHz, its not 1 GHz my system is an AMD 64 3000. Xchat has probley got it wrong or has a bug bugged to show wrong speed. Vincent0ne-
RE: No IRC client eh? written by Vincent0ne-:
Try Yum..
writen by: gopiindiaever on 2006-06-11 06:27:42
If you are quite comfortable(atleast by now..)..try using yum,a wonderful tool for installation of s/w along with thier dependencies.after configuring yum as told in fedora project page,export your HTTP_PROXY variable to the respective proxy.
RE: Try Yum.. written by gopiindiaever:
writen by: Sarah on 2006-06-21 19:52:26
Brad, sorry fo the belated reply, but when you first boot, type in: /isolinux/vmlinuz initrd = /isolinux/initrd.img
RE: written by Sarah:
Windows App Support
writen by: AndiM103 on 2006-06-27 05:57:19
So what if Linux doesn't natively support apps? WINE is free and there are a whole host of FREE emulators for Linux that work. Businesses should be using Linux because it's a lot more secure and more flexible. Imagine how much more they could get done... Terminal Services [without a Microsoft Certified Engineer], desktop consitency, and on and on...
RE: Windows App Support written by AndiM103:
Dumb ....just dumb
writen by: larry on 2006-06-27 11:01:16
I tried Fedora 5 in its initial release and was disappointed like many others. The main complaint was the taking away of choices throughout the install process and after. I gave up on Fedora 5 and switched to SUSE and other distros. Then recently a friend asked if I would help him install Fedora 5 on his machine. I relented and attempted to assist him. Like the above post I choose the default setup thinking that I can install more software after from the DVD. To my surprise you cannot unless you have an internet connection. My friend did not want this machine connected to the internet. After doing some searches on the internet I find out the install software tool is tied up with YUM and to work properly it insist on having an internet connection to work. This is even if you are not trying to install software from the internet. It turns out that in order to get it to work you have to go hacking around the config files. I have to say out of all the disappointing things I found in this latest release of Fedora that this one takes the cake. It is just so incredibly stupid and obvious that designing it that way was a bad ...bad idea. Even after convincing my friend to connect his computer to the internet briefly to enable installation from DVD, YUM still ignores the DVD and insist on downloading packages from the internet. Not only is it a bad idea from the users standpoint but also from the internet side. How much more of a load on the severs and mirrors has this placed on them, because the system insist on updating from the internet instead of the CD or DVD. It makes you wonder about who these people are that come up with this stuff. Are they not here with the rest of us? Where is the common sense? Dumb just plain in your face dumb
RE: Dumb ....just dumb written by larry:
agree it is stupid
writen by: xxx on 2006-07-26 12:39:54
whats was the damn point in making me download 5 cds of worthless data and again asking for internet connection for changing what i have installed. In fc1 ADD/REMOVE would ask us to insert disk1 or disk2 according to the dependencies. But here it insists on net connection (which is scarce in india). i am really disappointed with fc5. I was a hardcore redhat fan since rh4 , fedora 1 made me like it even more, but alas! this release was a nightmare. compare this to ubuntu. That only require 1 cd download and we can use powerful apt-get utility to fulfill rest of our requirements (dev and stuff , hardly 250 MB) i would strongly recommend ubuntu. another thing is , if fc5 is acting stupid don't expect me to get fc4 as future releases of fc might be stupid as well.
RE: agree it is stupid written by xxx:
XE Rocks
writen by: nimo on 2006-07-31 06:28:32
Hey I am developer at Oracle and I was a part of the team who ported/developed Oracle 10g R2 express on linux ... It simple rocks on linux man... To install with rpm, just use the default installer... and then with SU priviledges try /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure give port for http give port for listener give the password (SYSDBA, do not forget this) decide whether to start during boot if not.. then use /etc/init.d/oracle-xe start /etc/init.d/oracle-xe stop to verify the server is running check http://:8080/apex to check the efficiency, install Oracle express both on windows and linux.. on windows it gets installed as a service. try to start the service from AdminTools->Service, see the time it takes and then start it in linux, /etc/init.d/oracle-xe start compare the time... just the very basic step and see how TUX rocks... there are lot more, but i beleive this is not the forum to be too techie :-)
RE: XE Rocks written by nimo:
agreed
writen by: mark on 2006-08-09 14:49:56
totally true about mom and pop running a ping or tracert and right now i believe that is the biggest hangup linux has when comparing against windows.... not everyone are geeks like us, but hey, that makes us experts, right?
RE: agreed written by mark:
Oracle Client Hangs
writen by: Roland Käser on 2006-10-10 03:16:25
Hello We are just have problems using the oracle 10g client on a FC5 machine. SQL Plus hangs at startup every try. Can somebody give a hint about that? SELinux is disable also firewall (intranet). Many thanks Roland Kaeser
RE: Oracle Client Hangs written by Roland Käser:
CORRECTION!!
writen by: Sunnie Ahuja on 2006-11-04 01:43:43
RE: CORRECTION!! written by Sunnie Ahuja:
Fedora and stuff.
writen by: Tu Holmes on 2006-12-09 15:39:05
RE: Fedora and stuff. written by Tu Holmes:
Oracle XE on Fedora core 5
writen by: Christian on 2007-01-15 13:16:48
Hi i installed oracle database xe successfully but when i try to run it as a root it gives me error "you are not a member of dba" please help me!
RE: Oracle XE on Fedora core 5 written by Christian:
Problem in internet with fedora 5
writen by: Dani hajj on 2007-01-19 14:18:08
[b]Dear friends, I have a problem when installing the fedora 5.. at 1st, I need to install the fedora 5 as a squid server to work with mikrotik.... when I finished the installation, the internet work on the fedora, but on the clients no... I connect the mikrotik server with a cross cable to the fedora, so I can make a ping from a mikrotik's client to the fedora server( Ex: the ip of the fedora is :10.10.0.1 , ip of mikrotik is: 20.20.20.1) so I make a ping from a client with Ip : 20.20.20.100 to : 10.10.0.1 , I got reply... but there's no internet on the client... is there any way to have the internet working on the clients?? Best regards Please feel free to reply and help me[/b]
RE: Problem in internet with fedora 5 written by Dani hajj:
test
writen by: my name on 2007-01-21 20:26:57
RE: test written by my name:
Squid configuration
writen by: Gowlikar Srikanth on 2007-02-02 04:21:48
Hi, My name is Srikanth. I installed squid & conig squid.con with this cahnges @ bottom of conf file----- http_port 3128 8080 cache_dir ufs /var/spool/squid 100 16 256 acl localnet src 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 http_access allow localnet icp_access allow localnet visible_hostname netlab http_access allow all -------------------------------- Now i am abl to ping the servr from my client system but failed to get internet connction. @ clint side i configure IE--> Tools--> Internet Options --> Connections --> LAN settings --> Proxy Server --> IP: 192.168.1.1 port: 3128. Can any body help me. Regard.
RE: Squid configuration written by Gowlikar Srikanth:
apache
writen by: subrata on 2007-02-27 03:52:33
i have tried several time to install apache but it does not install at time of install fedoracore5.i debug 3 times but reboot.after install i have tried but the add/remove program does not work properly.
RE: apache written by subrata:
srinivas
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sibra
RE: srinivas written by srinivas:
nic
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RE: nic written by sachin:
engineer
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RE: engineer written by savvas karatsiolis:
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writen by: Cyberthug on 2007-05-11 22:38:37
RE: Help with wifi written by Cyberthug:
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how to make distribution for fc5 or fc6
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RE: Linux Download To USB Or CD? Which One A written by Brendan:
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writen by: antonyz on 2008-01-01 16:43:45
RE: Linux Commands Line written by antonyz:
Linux Commands Line
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RE: Linux Commands Line written by antonyz:
dns server
writen by: umamaheswar on 2008-02-06 01:03:14
sir how to activate the dns server in fedora core 5 i have to got the one problem thats the /etc/sysconfig/network: line 3: HOSTNAME: command not found thats the problem how solve the problem plese told me sir
RE: dns server written by umamaheswar:
problem at first boot
writen by: antonio1 on 2008-03-31 14:29:37
Hi all, I just started FC5, it was not installed by me, just loaded because I use VMware as virtual simulator. The problem is that at booting I can't see just the first picture window then line by line appear drivers [OK] and O also can login but under unix. How can I start linux??? thank you,
RE: problem at first boot written by antonio1:
Linux Commands Line v1.3
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RE: Linux Commands Line v1.3 written by Brian:
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RE: download linux software written by loris:

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