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A review of the 10 major Linux distributions out there, giving the pros and cons of each and every one of them

Introduction

The Microsoft Windows operating system is developed and released by a single company. It comes with a minimal set of applications (a calculator, a few games, some networking tools, an Internet browser.. etc). Other software can be obtained by users from various sources and installed on the operating system.

GNU/Linux is different. A GNU/Linux operating system is made of a Linux kernel, a set of GNU tools, an installation program, a package management system and a lot of other software components. Because all these components are free to use and to distribute, anybody can assemble and configure them according to their needs and create their very own GNU/Linux operating system. Since 1993, a lot of people and companies have been distributing Linux operating systems. These distributions made it easy for people to get and to install a working GNU/Linux system on their personal computer.

At first only a few distributions were available. Nowadays there are so many, that it would be pointless to compare all of them. The website http://www.distrowatch.com lists more than 350 active distributions and reports new releases almost every day. Of course, some distributions are quite similar, although some others are very different to each others. Depending on your needs you'll prefer some more than others.

All distributions include the Linux kernel developed by Linus Torvalds and the GNU tools developed by Richard Stallman but they don't necessarily use their latest versions. Some distributions even make their own changes to the kernel. Distributions usually differ in the choice of software applications they offer, in the way these software applications are configured and in the way they are installed and upgraded. Distributions also differ in many aspects such as their philosophy towards proprietary software, their priorities between ease of use and efficiency or between stability and latest technology. In fact, every distribution is different and this means you have more than 350 ways to run GNU/Linux!

Of course some distributions are more popular than others. This article is dedicated to the 10 most famous and popular: Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Mandriva, Suse, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Gentoo, Mepis and Xandros.

Debian

Debian is one of the oldest GNU/Linux distributions. It was created in 1993 by Ian Murdock who named it after the combination of his own name and the one of his then-girlfriend (now wife) Debra. The Debian project is non-commercial and gathers more than a thousand developers throughout the world. A strict organization and clear guidelines made its releases famous for their stability and reliability. The project is very ambitious and supports more than 15,000 packages on 11 architectures: m68k, SPARC, Alpha, PowerPC, x86, IA-64, PA-RISC, MIPS (big and little endian), ARM and S/390. AMD64 is also supported although it is not officially included in the distribution. Debian is known for its strong adherence to the Unix and free software philosophies, its stability and its huge community. It is also very well documented and translated in many languages. Its software package management is extremely powerful and was adopted by many other distributions. Although it is meant to be a general-purpose distribution, the quality of its releases made Debian a distribution of choice for servers.

Debian provides three branches: "Stable" which corresponds to the latest release, "Unstable", which is in perpetual evolution and "Testing" which represents the next release to-be. Although it is possible to use "Testing" and to stay up to date, a lot of people are unhappy with the slow release cycle, which makes the "Stable" branch quickly outdated. For this reason Debian is seen as a serious and stable distribution but not as a cutting-edge and reactive one. This "outdated" reputation combined with the absence of graphical installation or configuration tools made Debian look hard to use and slow to evolve. When it comes to desktop, a lot of people prefer fast release cycle, eye-candy configuration tools, graphical installers and ease of use.. and this is not what Debian is.

Official website: http://www.debian.org

Pros: Open-Source philosophy, non-commercial project, strong community, huge selection of packages and supported architectures, one of the best package management, excellent documentation, extremely stable and well-tested releases, modular, fast.

Cons: Slow release cycle, text-based installer, lack of configuration tools

Slackware

Founded in 1992 by Patrick Volkerding, Slackware is the oldest surviving GNU/Linux distribution. It is very secure, stable and it is often recommended for server installations. The package management is minimal and doesn't deal with dependencies, the installer and configuration tools are text-based and almost everything is done through configuration files. Slackware doesn't offer graphical frontends nor eye-candy configuration tools. When Patrick was asked why Slackware releases do not have code names, he simply replied that there was no need. In fact the distribution focuses on stability and is well known for being bug-free. System administrators usually say that Slackware is the most Unix-Like GNU/Linux distribution. Most packages are used in their pristine form without any Slackware made improvements. Slackware is usually not recommended to novice users although it is easy to configure and probably one of the most formative distributions. What a user learns while configuring Slackware usually applies to any distribution. Rather than using distribution-specific configuration tools, the user has to modify settings in configuration files and so he has to learn about Linux internals which are common to all distributions. For these reason the Slackware distribution is usually used by system administrators, eager to learn novice users or simply Slackware fans :)

Official website: http://www.slackware.com

Pros: Stability, security, strong adherence to Unix principles, speed and performance.

Cons: Minimal package management, infrequent releases, limited hardware detection.

Fedora

One of the best known Linux company in the world is Red Hat, founded in 1995 by Bob Young and Marc Ewing. In 2003, Red Hat decided to focus on business and stopped releasing its public distribution. The company chose to sponsor a community driven project called Fedora. Red Hat Linux 9 was the last version in the Red Hat product line and was replaced by Fedora Core. This distribution is quite unique and mixes leading edge features and conservatism. The result is a stable and secure system with frequent releases and up to date packages which suits both server and desktop installations. The package management is based on RPM, invented by Red Hat, and it is enhanced by a set of tools like Yum, which bring additional features similar to the Debian package management. Because of its close relationship with Red Hat this distribution is very popular among companies. Efforts were also made to make it attractive to the public and Fedora is full of graphical configuration and administration tools. The installation is also graphical and special attention was put to the look and feel of the distribution. As a result Fedora is a popular choice for both desktop and servers among Linux users.

Official website: http://fedora.redhat.com

Pros: Widely used, good support, innovation, good-looking desktop, configuration tools.

Cons: Not as stable as Debian or Slackware for server use, not as easy and up to date as Suse or Mandrake for desktop use. Fedora is truly a general-purpose distribution.

Mandriva

Originally called Mandrake and created by Gael Duval in 1998, Mandriva is based on Red Hat. It uses a RPM-based package management, which is enhanced with a tool called urpmi. Mandriva became famous and popular since its first release thanks to an efficient and powerful graphical installer, which is still considered the best nowadays. The default Gnome desktop environment used in Red Hat was replaced in favor of KDE and some good looking configuration tools were added. Also, Mandriva tends to include new versions of software applications as soon as possible and to stay up to date as much as possible, relying on the users to report bugs a posteriori. As a result, Mandriva is highly up-to-date and even though some of its releases are buggy it remains the best distribution for people who are new to Linux or people who find it acceptable to experience some crashes if this means benefiting from the latest versions of applications.

Official website: http://www.mandriva.com

Pros: Highly up-to-date, easy to use, good looking desktop, good community support.

Cons: Unstable, releases are initially reserved to mandrivaClub members and then made public after several weeks.

Suse

Since its creation, Suse has always been seen as a distribution of choice for desktop installations. It benefits from a powerful installer and configuration tool called YaST. Professional attention is made to detail, the default KDE desktop environment, the boot process, everything is tailored to make Suse pleasant to the eyes and a serious choice for professional desktops. In 2003, Novell acquired the company and made ISOs of Suse releases freely available on the Internet. Novell also opened the development to public participation and released YaST under the General Public License. Since the launch of OpenSuse, the distribution is now completely free. Suse is stable, polished and pleasant to use. It is probably one of the best desktop solutions.

Official website: http://www.suse.com , http://www.opensuse.org

Pros: Up-to-date, easy to use, good looking, stable.

Cons: Speed and performance.

Ubuntu

In 2004 a distribution which was never heard of before, quickly became the most popular and famous of all distributions: Ubuntu. Based on the "Unstable" branch of Debian, Ubuntu features a fast release cycle, up to date and numerous packages, fast download mirrors, great documentation and even free shipment of CDs. Even though the installer is text-based and the configuration tools are not as good looking or integrated as those found in Fedora, Suse or Mandriva, this distribution quickly became the most used for desktop use. Ubuntu was created by Mark Shuttleworth and is distributed by his company Canonical Ltd. It is not clear whether or not Ubuntu is profitable to Canonical Ltd, but according to the multi-millionaire Mark Shuttleworth, this is not the main priority nor purpose of the distribution. Instead, Ubuntu aims to be an innovative and dynamic general purpose distribution which tackles issues that were not addressed by other distributions. Since its creation, Ubuntu has been the most popular GNU/Linux distribution and every single release is better than the previous one.

Official website: http://www.ubuntu.com

Pros: Great community of users and developers, great documentation, up to date packages, fast release cycle.

Cons: The business model doesn't seem to be viable.

Knoppix

Created in 2003 by Klaus Knopper, Knoppix is a live-CD distribution, which means the user can run it directly from the CD without having to install it on the hard drive. Thanks to an efficient compression mechanism, the Knoppix CD features a huge selection of software. Knoppix also provides a great automatic hardware detection, which is far better than those of other distributions. The CD can be used as a recovery or administration tool, as a Linux demonstration, as a hardware test tool or even as a full GNU/Linux desktop distribution since it is possible to install it on the hard drive once booted from the CD. Releases are frequent and packages, based on Debian's "Unstable" branch are quite up-to-date.

Official website: http://www.knoppix.com

Pros: Live-CD, excellent hardware detection, good and up to date package selection.

Cons: Slow if run from the CD.

Gentoo

Created in 2002 by Daniel Robbins, Gentoo comes from the idea of adding the FreeBSD autobuild feature, "ports" into GNU/Linux. Gentoo is a source-distribution, which means that its packages are not binary but source packages. Each package is meant to be compiled on the user's computer in order to get the best performance and speed out of the resulting compiled binary software. Because repositories use source-packages, they are also very quick to get new software releases as soon as they come out. This results in a very fast and highly up-to-date distribution. The package management is also very efficient and easy to use. On the other hand, the installation of the system and of big packages can be very long and tedious, even with a fast processor.

Official website: http://www.gentoo.org

Pros: Highly up-to-date, very fast, good documentation.

Cons: Long and tedious installation, can be unstable.

Mepis

Created in 2003 by Warren Woodford, Mepis is a mix between Debian "Unstable" and Knoppix. It is a live-CD which, once booted, features a graphical installation program. Users can simply boot on the CD, try the distribution, and if they like it.. run the graphical installation program. Also, the distribution chose a different path regarding the use of proprietary software, arguing that the user's comfort was more important than the adherence to open-source philosophy. By default, Mepis includes NVIDIA drivers, Flash and Java plugins, Java runtime, multimedia codecs, and other non-free software. The hardware automatic detection is very good and even detects some winmodems. In-house configuration utilities are also provided.

Official website: http://www.mepis.com

Pros: Installable Live-CD, pre-configured with latest plugins and codecs.

Cons: Not yet well-established, poor adherence to open-source principles.

Xandros

In 2001 Xandros acquired Corel Linux. The distribution was based on Debian and aimed at making it easy for novice users to use GNU/Linux. Nowadays Xandros Desktop is the most user-friendly distribution on the market and is recommended to first time Linux users. In its Deluxe edition Xandros Desktop also includes a NTFS resizing tool and a Windows compatibility layer called CrossOver, which makes it possible to run some Windows applications.

Official website: http://www.xandros.com

Pros: Designed for beginners, easy to use, very stable.

Cons: Small package selection, includes proprietary components, only free for personal use.

Conclusion

People often ask "so which distribution is right for me?". The answer is very simple: "It depends!". It depends on your needs, it depends on your experience, on your philosophy or your tastes. It depends on a lot of things, and even if you found the one you preferred among these 10 majors distributions, don't forget that there are about 340 other distributions available, which could potentially suit your needs. If you're ready for the adventure, go and explore. Read reviews, try as many as you can and make your own mind. Otherwise, if you just need something good without the hassle, stick to these 10 major distributions. If you're running a server, consider Debian or Slackware. If you want to install Linux on your home computer for desktop use, consider them all. If you're new to Linux you could try Xandros, Mepis, Suse or Mandriva. Different people have different tastes and this is exactly why GNU/Linux comes in so many flavors...

 
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Comments about this article
Nice list
writen by: Mark on 2006-04-01 11:03:08
OK SUSE is best for YOU. ha Ha. Actually right now it is the most polished because of Novell. The search is done right and it doesn't seeem to have that raw distro feel which is nice. Also maybe good to add that Slackware has probably the best sub-tributions. Arc, Zenwalk etc.
RE: Nice list written by Mark:
Slack frequency
writen by: Dave on 2006-04-01 11:47:45
Slack: "Infrequent releases".... hm.... I guess I havent' measured it, but it seems like about twice per year. That's plenty often enough to be doing upgrades, seems to me. In any case "most unix like" is what does it for me.
RE: Slack frequency written by Dave:
PCLinuxOS is the best PC Distro out ther
writen by: fanoflinux on 2006-04-01 11:49:12
I am surprised the author didn't mentione PCLinuxOS which is by far the best distro for anybody wanting to dump MS windoze. Not only it is intuitive for newbs but also feature rich for more advanced linuxers. -fanoflinux
RE: PCLinuxOS is the best PC Distro out ther written by fanoflinux:
suse
writen by: adfs on 2006-04-01 11:52:02
perhaps, but suse does not support my raid driver (promise fasttrak 376) out of the box whereas mandriva does
RE: suse written by adfs:
archlinux
writen by: Kyle on 2006-04-01 11:52:26
Also check out arch linux. It has a awesome package management system, and is i686 optimised, so its really easy to update and runs really fast. The PKGBUILD system is amazing. In my opinion, this distribution will become one of the major players in the near future. www.archlinux.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux PS: Great reviews by the way!
RE: archlinux written by Kyle:
Mandriva!!!
writen by: George on 2006-04-01 12:05:30
I think for beginners the best choice is Mandriva. Easy to install, includes several packages, and it looks nice! Support is very good, also! My first linux was mandrake 10, and i was so happy with it!
RE: Mandriva!!! written by George:
very nice list...
writen by: Gilbert on 2006-04-01 15:40:28
I'm starting to jump into linux and this is definately a very useful guide for us newb's.
RE: very nice list... written by Gilbert:
Ubuntu fits most
writen by: Keith on 2006-04-01 13:22:07
Of all the distributions, I have to agree that Debian is best run on servers, though it will function as Desktop equally well. However, after I tried out Ubuntu, then I find it won't be soon that I will change for another Linux distro. Ubuntu, built on top of Debian structure, can function pretty well as a server. The release cycle if fantastic, if one chooses to upgrade to the latest packages in the repositories. The speed is pretty fast as well. Furthermore, it's pretty secure, except for one small "critical" incident found last month, which is fixed within 24 hours.
RE: Ubuntu fits most written by Keith:
makes no sense
writen by: someone on 2006-04-01 13:44:06
What? Gentoo is more up to date than Fedora? Madriva is more up to date then Fedora? Dude... FC5 is shipping 2.24 Gnome, it has a 2.6.16 kernel, not to mention gcc 4.1 I think you need to do you home work better.
RE: makes no sense written by someone:
Nice.
writen by: Martindale on 2006-04-01 13:45:50
RHEL is what I consider the most popular, or atleast the gold standard. Then there's CentOS - which I've chosen over Fedora for it's stability. CentOS is a RHEL clone using the same repositories, but it's free, vs. RHEL's $1k+ working price tag.
RE: Nice. written by Martindale:
Gentoo - unstable??
writen by: Adam Tulinius on 2006-04-01 14:24:39
Have you ever tried gentoo? if you think it's unstable it really must be your lack of knowledge causing the problems. yes, there was a time where we only had one branch, but now we have several..
RE: Gentoo - unstable?? written by Adam Tulinius:
Gentoo Friendliness
writen by: CptnSbaitso on 2006-04-01 14:39:09
Great list! I just wanted to add that the new versions of Gentoo are available with a Live-CD graphical (or textual) guided installer, which makes it much easier and faster. Check it out at [url=www.gentoo.org]examplelink[/url]. Again, thanks for the list. I learned quite a bit.
RE: Gentoo Friendliness written by CptnSbaitso:
Other considerations...
writen by: wataru on 2006-04-01 16:04:19
Some important differences that were not mentioned: I've noticed that some distros, like SuSE, automatically mount Windows partitions, whereas others, like Ubuntu, make you go through difficult loops to get at your Windows data. Some installers, like Fedora Core and Mandriva, are better at setting up sound support (they do so in the installation process) than others, like SuSe and Ubuntu. Some have better font support for foreign languages (like Japanese and Chinese) than others. And some installers are better at handling the tasks most confusing to newcomers (choosing packages, seting up partitions, etc.) than others.
RE: Other considerations... written by wataru:
Mepis 6.0 experimental ubuntu core
writen by: Clint Brothers on 2006-04-01 16:21:25
I have been a [url=http://www.mepislovers.com]Mepislover[/url] for a couple of years now and I have tried 50 or so distros including all mentioned here and I keep going back to Mepis . The only thing that used to suck about Mepis was the deb repository errors. Now with the ubuntu core and ubuntu repository things are better than ever. Upgraded KDE yesterday to 3.5.2 from the ubuntu repo with no problems, from the deb repo it never went as smooth.
RE: Mepis 6.0 experimental ubuntu core written by Clint Brothers:
Pacman
writen by: Charles on 2006-04-01 16:40:54
I use Underground linux, which is based on Arch linux, another great distribution. What I love most about Underground is it's package management. If you want a package, say dvdrip, then all you do is type: pacman -S dvdrip you've got it. No hassle. No finding the right RPM. It also comes on a single CD and runs the latest KDE. And it has a cool name that'll impress your Windows-using friends.
RE: Pacman written by Charles:
writen by: Anonymous on 2006-04-01 17:10:44
Gnome 2.24 ?!? I think you are badly mistaken ;)
RE: written by Anonymous:
Note
writen by: Clement Lefebvre on 2006-04-01 18:02:44
This article was written before FC5 was released (which I reviewed by the way, and use on a daily basis with Ubuntu and Debian on my machines). linuxforums.org decided to postpone its publication, and the recent release of Fedora obviously made some of its content obsolete. Clem
RE: Note written by Clement Lefebvre:
What?!
writen by: Darkfrog on 2006-04-01 18:25:11
"2.24 Gnome" Here in a real world, gnome is only up to version 2.14.
RE: What?! written by Darkfrog:
I agree that RHEL clones are very signif
writen by: Hatwick on 2006-04-01 18:59:28
Redhat in my opinion is still the distribution with the best 3rd party compatibility- more packages out there that are easy to install, official approval from Oracle, etc. Fedora has much of that benefit, but has a short enough maintenance cycle and upgrade cycle that for business use it is (again IMO) not ideal. So, the RHEL clones with stability and compatibility are the obvious winner for me for a novice business admin/tech. (Although Suse comes close for the same reasons). Expert server admins will probably prefer Debian or Slack (or BSD if that's what they know), and home Windows switchers may prefer Xandros or Mandriva.
RE: I agree that RHEL clones are very signif written by Hatwick:
Mandrive A Bit Out Of Date
writen by: John on 2006-04-01 21:10:51
"Pros: Highly up-to-date, easy to use, good looking desktop, good community support." Actually, Mandriva has switched to an annual release cycle in a search for gretaer stability and the enterprise market. For example their most recent version is still 2006.0 and only has KDE 3.4.x on it. As for a strong community, it's a dying one as all the hobbyists like myself leave in search of a more up-to-date distro and a more responsive vendor, Mandriva's new focus on the enterprise is leaving many of us cold. That said, it is still excellent for a newbie looking for ease of install and use, just don't expect cutting edge or strong support like in the old days. John.
RE: Mandrive A Bit Out Of Date written by John:
yeah....
writen by: blah on 2006-04-01 22:20:12
FC5 will be ouitdated in about 3 weeks, whereas a gentoo user can keep the system up to date via a cron job. gentoo is as up to date as the user dares.
RE: yeah.... written by blah:
CentOS
writen by: Son Nguyen on 2006-04-02 03:14:26
Where is CentOS? What do you define as a major distro?
RE: CentOS written by Son Nguyen:
PCLinuxOS
writen by: nintendofreq on 2006-04-02 08:46:20
I agree. Its great. Runs like a charm, plays everything from MP3 to MP4 and even WMA, right out of the box. Unfortunately, PCLinuxOS isn't one of the 10 biggest Distros. But it still the best.
RE: PCLinuxOS written by nintendofreq:
Fedora Cons
writen by: Michael on 2006-04-02 12:38:16
Yor write: "Not as stable as Debian or Slackware for server use" Very Stable... look at Netcraft... WebServer with Fedora Core are grown up. Look at Wikipedia... tons of Fedora Core Server. "not as easy [...] as Suse or Mandrake for desktop use" Why? Easy installer and many GUI Tools for Config. Also many Repos for Data like mp3. "and up to date as Suse or Mandrake for desktop use" Fedora was the first major Distribution with Gnome 2.14. Always new Kernel und many many Updates. http://fedoranews.org/cms/aggregator/sources/75 http://fedoranews.org/cms/aggregator/sources/74 Greetz PS: The Mail Form doesn't accept valid .info Domian Mails.
RE: Fedora Cons written by Michael:
Keep coming back...
writen by: Ruel Smith on 2006-04-02 20:41:49
To Mandriva... I've used various distros over the years including Suse, Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, PCLinuxOS, Debian, and Mepis. I keep coming back to Mandriva. It simply has the best combination of easy to install and use, and simple GUI adminstration, and excellent support (though I think much of the old camp has gone to PCLinuxOS or Ubuntu/Kubuntu). I've even joined the club as a silver member. The PowerPack downloads are great, I can get DVD ISO's, and all the proprietary stuff is there, without all the hassle of hunting it down and downloading. Sure Automatix is good, but not near as good as having it there in the first place. Personally, I prefer the slower release of Mandriva these days. All that upgrading meant instability. I don't mind being a little behind as long as my machine is absolutely stable. With a few hiccups, 2006.0 has been very good and very stable. Excellent distro.
RE: Keep coming back... written by Ruel Smith:
chief cook and bottle washer
writen by: Nart Knarly on 2006-04-03 00:24:58
Microsoft's borrowed operating system is extended after embracing any succesful project, be it active X or mysql and released by a criminal monoply . It comes with a minimal set of applications (a calculator, a few games, some networking tools, an Internet browser.. etc). Software can be obtained by users from various sources and installed on the operating system ,Usually without any interaction or knowledge of the unsuspecting user.
RE: chief cook and bottle washer written by Nart Knarly:
Slackware? secure??
writen by: gvy on 2006-04-03 04:06:09
Umm, would be interesting to know the sort of crack those proclaiming Slackware as specifically "secure" distro do smoke. If there's anyone of those here -- *please* do get into details on how exactly it is secure, either as a static release or counting updates too. I somehow think that Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, SUSE, even Gentoo and not speaking of specialized hardened distros like Trustix, Owl or ALT Linux are *waay* more secure both out-of-box and being updated, given the same task set. -- Michael Shigorin
RE: Slackware? secure?? written by gvy:
Yoper
writen by: Marlon Cabrera Oliveira on 2006-04-03 06:38:37
Yoper linux 2.1.0-4 [b]Pros:[/b] Ultra Fast, stable and easy to use out-of-box. [b]Cons:[/b] Little community
RE: Yoper written by Marlon Cabrera Oliveira:
Ubuntu automagically mounts windows part
writen by: Ravnos on 2006-04-03 09:54:50
I'm looking at my Windows partition right now in Ubuntu and I didn't have to tell it to do anything. I'm using Ubuntu 5.10 on AMD64.
RE: Ubuntu automagically mounts windows part written by Ravnos:
RHEL does *NOT* cost $1000 (or even clos
writen by: Ben Russo on 2006-04-03 10:28:41
RHEL is released under the GPL. It has no price tag. (Free) However if you wish to get the RHEL binaries on a CD set that is installable you have to purchase a support contract that includes RHN. The list price of RHN for a dual CPU system with up to 4 GB of RAM is $349 / year. However with negotiation this price can be reduced significantly! ( I have heard of people getting RHN subscriptions in bulk orders for as little as $150 / year. ) RHN is more than an patch/update download service. RHN is a web interface that allows you to manage your server inventory, build configuration templates and kickstart images for fast deployments and custom builds. It allows you to manage software updates accross hundreds or thousands of servers and monitor the status of all your boxes in a great GUI. For an organization with more than 50 servers that are running RHEL, RHN can be a bargain because it reduces TCO. -Ben.
RE: RHEL does *NOT* cost $1000 (or even clos written by Ben Russo:
dutch-masta killa
writen by: ominae on 2006-04-03 13:44:19
Totally agreed, FC5 has the most recent software up to date.
RE: dutch-masta killa written by ominae:
Re: Nice
writen by: Dave on 2006-04-03 15:21:21
RHEL's base support (downloading updates 30 days/phone support and 1 year web-based support) is $349, not $1k+ CentOS is great, but not for my Oracle 10g cluster. At least not until Oracle supports it.
RE: Re: Nice written by Dave:
Overview of the Article
writen by: gnumber9 on 2006-04-03 16:35:34
Pros: Includes the 10 most popular Linux Distributions. Has a hyperlink to Distrowatch. Cons: Author misinforms the reader with subjective content.
RE: Overview of the Article written by gnumber9:
SuSE is slow?
writen by: virtualuk on 2006-04-03 18:42:21
I would like the author to elaborate as to why SuSE would be considered slower than the options that they recommended for server installations? Installing SuSE without X is perfectly viable, and seeing as the bulk of the kernel et al is common across most platforms I can't see how the author's comment can be justified.
RE: SuSE is slow? written by virtualuk:
Ubuntu is good for beginners as well.
writen by: Fred on 2006-04-03 19:05:09
The article did not list Ubuntu as being one for beginners, which it most definitly is. It can be used by everybody!
RE: Ubuntu is good for beginners as well. written by Fred:
The upgrade syndrome...
writen by: GreyGeek on 2006-04-03 19:06:48
All distros suffer from the "upgrade" syndrome. I used SuSE for about 5 years and with each new release I had to make a choice: upgrade or reinstall. I tried upgrade a few times, but they mostly ended in requiring that I reinstall. So, I stopped upgrading and developed a policy of backing up critical data, email, etc., and then doing a fresh install and restore. This always resulted in a more stable installation. A couple of years ago I tested several Debian based distros and settled on MEPIS. Anyone whose ever used a Debian based repository has encountered the desktop yoyo: you are upgrading a single application and don't notice that it requires etither the previous or next release of the desktop you are using. Suddenly, apt-get is deleting 350 KDE files and then installs about an equal number. Sometimes it works, sometimes you end up with scrambled eggs. Just yesterday I encountered this effect with Eclipse, an app that uses some GNOME libraries and replaces some others. Eclipse with the C++ plugin worked great! What stopped working was my battery monitor, my halt command and the hot_plug stuff. I ended up installing MEPIS-6.0, based on Ubuntu. So far, so good. Hint: when running Synaptic and you click "apply" to install an app, also check the "details" button to see what Synaptic is going to do. If it is planning on replacing 10 or more files proceed with caution.
RE: The upgrade syndrome... written by GreyGeek:
M
writen by: Stomfi on 2006-04-03 19:10:14
Linux unlike windows is a constant development. Distros tend to be relatively static, except of course Gentoo which relies on the web for constant updates. For my static distro I use OpenSUSE as it has lots of drivers, and bleeding edge software, as well as the majority of the staples. For my development platform I use Dynebolic 2 Live CD, which can be "nested" for $HOME and docked for faster response and which allows one to add ones own modules, including ones own best efforts. My hard drive also contains all the latest big 11 distro, including an earlier MS offering for solving user networking problems. I quite often get software from one distro and install it on another, which usually works. In my opinion Linux is the best distro because it is constantly adding new productivity and enjoyment features, is very very robust, and most importantly lets you do your own thing.
RE: M written by Stomfi:
They all need improvement
writen by: Frank De Graeve on 2006-04-04 01:18:44
How ever much I like the open source idea of distro's... I keep getting the feeling that they'll never appeal to the broader public. We discussed some of these distro's on the systemtrash podcast, and I keep coming to the same conclusion. Despite of these distro's being open source (and free), they keep too much contact with the Windows way of using a GUI. I understand there's more to a distro than a GUI. There's all the stability and server stuff you get along with the package. But lets face it. If we want to get these things to be manageble for let's say 'my granny'... then the GUI's still have a long way to go. And you'd be surprised how many people have only that basic 'granny' knowledge of their computer.
RE: They all need improvement written by Frank De Graeve:
Good List
writen by: Henry on 2006-04-04 01:36:09
I think I agree with this list almost 100%. For those saying Fedora is bleeding edge: it's gonna take more than a single new app or kernel to make Fedora a bleeding edge distro....but it does seem to be heading that way. Also, for those saying "well you didn't mention PCLinuxOS, or CentOS, why aren't they on the list": This is a top 10--not a top 100!! This is one persons opinion...and I think MOST people could say that it's not a bad list. Besides, you can see a complete list a distrowatch.
RE: Good List written by Henry:
Frugalware
writen by: barny rabbit on 2006-04-04 01:39:59
Frugalware is looking very good. It uses PACMAN from Arch Linux as the package manager, has a simple installer (text based but so what - it is simple to use and works well), and has default KDE and GNOME install so you get both. Numbers of packages growing fast, and seems to support multimedia quite well too. Easier to set-up than Arch, and unlike Ubuntu and many other distros (that get reviews by people who dont dig deeper than the name of the distro and the splach screen) it seems mostly to actually work. Worth a look.
RE: Frugalware written by barny rabbit:
Crux
writen by: Swisstux on 2006-04-04 04:17:24
I think, the best distro for expert users who want to learn 'all' about a linux OS is [url=www.crux.nu]crux[/url]... but only for experts
RE: Crux written by Swisstux:
mepis
writen by: minor on 2006-04-04 05:14:55
i have used mepis, but repositories are really weakness of this distro. Using Ubuntu as a source for mepis is not good idea - using derived distro and derivate it more to get something other... this is not good
RE: mepis written by minor:
Ubuntu Foundation
writen by: Ondrej Sury on 2006-04-04 07:41:57
BTW Ubuntu is also financed by Ubuntu Foundation which employs some core Ubuntu developers. For more info see [url=http://www.ubuntu.com/news/UbuntuFoundation]annoncement[/url] Ondrej
RE: Ubuntu Foundation written by Ondrej Sury:
Ubuntu's business model
writen by: Carson on 2006-04-04 09:29:47
I'm just curious: on what are you basing your assessment of Ubuntu's business model as perhaps non-viable?
RE: Ubuntu's business model written by Carson:
gentoo
writen by: n00b on 2006-04-04 11:37:49
emerge dvdrip I'll get dvdrip ;p
RE: gentoo written by n00b:
Fedora vs Gentoo : "up to date"
writen by: Mattepiu on 2006-04-04 12:23:53
I'm on gentoo , running gcc-4.1 (I unmasked , gentoo devs seems waiting for 4.2),glibc-2.4_r1, kde 3.5.2 (some packages are 3.5.2_r1), expat-2.0.0, XGL. Fedora 5 was release a pair of weeks ago and will be outdated in a month, then for about 11 months until Fedora 6 nobody will think Fedora is the most "up-to-date" distro.....
RE: Fedora vs Gentoo : "up to date" written by Mattepiu:
Ubuntu really is OK for anyone - beginne
writen by: Rob-asfd on 2006-04-04 16:43:28
My wife and children know little about computers other than that it's a tool / toy. I gave her Ubuntu over a year ago, she does her school board documentation, Toy Library accounts, PTA minutes, digital camera pictures, email, internet, etc. It just works and works. The only recomendation I have is that it's best with a permanent 128k+ Internet connection, just like XP is. There are dozens/hundreds of games, a couple of clicks and it'll download and install another. I love it.
RE: Ubuntu really is OK for anyone - beginne written by Rob-asfd:
Dude!
writen by: Joe on 2006-04-04 21:07:48
I run debian Etch (half way between Sarge(stable) and Sid(bleeding edge). I'm currently running Gnome2.14 (X11R7) with the 2.6.17-rc1 Linux kernel, compiled with GCC4.10. I believe I'm more bleeding edge than FC5. As for the list, I've used Slackware for 5 years, Fedora for 5 (although it was called RH5-RH9 for a while), I've tried SuSe a couple of times, and have Knoppix as a never-leave-home-without-it backup and hyper-rescue disk. I've only been using Debian for a year, but I think the list is fairly accurate.
RE: Dude! written by Joe:
:o)
writen by: John blbec on 2006-04-05 00:39:53
...and it keeps these versions for whole year so i am agree - gentoo is more up-to-date, of course...
RE: :o) written by John blbec:
RHEL software repos...
writen by: Arthas on 2006-04-05 09:20:52
RHEL does indeed have great administration tools. But 3rd party software support? Commercial packages (like e.g. Oracle) are of course well supported (only?) on RHEL but open source tools are cerntainly not! I have been using a system based on RHEL4 (Scientific Linux) for about 9 months and I can tell you that getting additional software installed on this thing is a real pain. The amount of available RPMs is just ridiculously small compared to the huge amount of software in the Debian repository or FreeBSD ports collection. I usually have to just compile from source, but it is not always easy: Want e.g. new Rhythmbox (Gnome music player)? Download source, extract, run ./configure... And find out that you need to upgrade Gtk and some Gnome libs from source... This is simply not worth the effort. RHEL is a fine distro if you can do everything you need/want to with the packages distributed on RHEL CDs but if you want more RHEL is certainly not the distro for you.
RE: RHEL software repos... written by Arthas:
The author makes a poor assumption.
writen by: Richard Steiner on 2006-04-05 10:24:11
He says: [b]All distributions include the Linux kernel developed by Linus Torvalds and the GNU tools developed by Richard Stallman but they don't necessarily use their latest versions.[/b] While all Linux distros do use the Linux kernel in some form, not all distros use the GNU tools. The Coyote Linux firewall distro (now BrazilFW) is a case in point -- it replaces ALL of the normally used GNU software with a series of smaller tools with similar functionality. That includes libc as well as the common commands such as ls, etc. That's one reason I object to the blind use of the term "GNU/Linux".
RE: The author makes a poor assumption. written by Richard Steiner:
Linux IS ready for the desktop
writen by: Mark West on 2006-04-06 12:07:51
You know, for years I have heard that Linux isn't quite ready for the desktop. I believed it... like everyone else does. I personally haven't used windows for many years, uhm I think Windows 95b was the last one I installed until recently. Due to a lot of urging from my wife, we finally bit the bullet and bought XP, ouch!!! I have to say, I was dissapointed. Apart from Macromedia's Shockwave Player (the whole reason we bought XP), I couldn't see where XP is 'better' then any Linux on the desktop. Granted we don't run the latest cutting edge technology but when I install a modern linux Distro everything just works, from my cd burner to my digital cam. I spent 4 days tracking down drivers to get all this gear up and werking on XP (we tend to just toss the accompanied driver disks because they don't include Linux Drivers). I found XP to be difficult to navigate and very difficult to configure/optimize. The available taskbar widgets in XP is non existant. You are pretty much stuck with what MS ships. Please, someone explain to me why Linux is not yet ready for the Desktop. As far as I could tell, Windows isn't ready for the Desktop (or server either) and Linux has been there for years. (by the way, we got firefox for windows and shockwave up and running on our Mandriva 06 box under wine 0.9.10 without any complications, XP went back to the store we bought it from. Well thats my 2 cents.
RE: Linux IS ready for the desktop written by Mark West:
fedora
writen by: Linuxcolor on 2006-04-12 04:08:45
Just One Comments Fedora is best both server/desktop
RE: fedora written by Linuxcolor:
I believe it is
writen by: K-jo on 2006-04-14 22:19:35
Doesn't Oracle support 10g cluster on RHEL? If it does then it has 100% support for CentOS. Maybe something to check on.
RE: I believe it is written by K-jo:
The ol' "granny" gambit
writen by: K-jo on 2006-04-14 22:25:10
This argument is dead and burried. Granny can do Linux just fine with little or no external help from a Linux guru. See 'Interview with a Grandmother' published on LJ in 2003. URL: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6562
RE: The ol' "granny" gambit written by K-jo:
The right tool for the right job
writen by: K-jo on 2006-04-14 22:34:35
CentOS, like RHEL, is not a distro that you should be running as a desktop system. No one in their right mind would think that they could be used that way. Therefor your argument is non sequitur. The number of packages available for CentOS and/or any of the other RHEL clones is more than enough. You want to run Rhythmbox? Start getting the torrent for FC5 or Ubuntu or better yet get Xandros. Of all the distros out there Xandros is the one that is the best drop-in replacement for WinXX out there. By a country mile.
RE: The right tool for the right job written by K-jo:
Mandriva info errata
writen by: K-jo on 2006-04-14 22:45:50
While it's true that Mandrake was originally based on Red Hat (it was just Red hat with KDE instead of GNOME), it developed into it's own distinct distro years ago. Mandriva is now the amalgamation of three different distros; Conectiva, Mandrake & Lycoris.
RE: Mandriva info errata written by K-jo:
I cover my face because XP is a pain in
writen by: yoda-master-jedi on 2006-04-23 17:16:00
I dual booted XP to my Linx. Problems, problems, and more problems. Cannot get the USB's t o work on boot, once we go in Windows, it freezes for 10 minutes, the only browser that wants to work is Internet Ixplorer, others (Netscape, Opera) keep on crashing. MS Office works fine, but as soon as I put star office on it, problems, problems, problems. Windows media player is working fine, but I dared and coughed by installing Real Player, and holy smokes, songs do not open, directorys claim corruption, and freezing like stoned drunk highschool loosers. I decided to put it as a clean install on a stand alone computer that has only XP. It works fine, with a lot of TLC, as if it is a spoilt baby. The moment I decided to say" XP is OK on its own, CABOOOOOM, mellissa virus, winnet virus and 32 other showed up from nowhere as soon as I connected to the internet to only one site,www.msn.com. I discovered now that when Steve "Plumber" sniff crack and scream :"Windows has protection" he means :"Windows has viruses built in your Windows CD, and every Microsoft application distribution" Compare a linux guy saying:"Help users for free, they'll appreciate you and trust you on thier business" verses a Microsoft programmer saying:"Microsoft users are stupid, stupid, stupid. They deserve thier money to be yanked from them, and they deserve a few viruses up their a$$e$, because they are stupid, and I am smart". Microsoft will die with Bill Gates death(no one will live for ever) and Microsoft will show its real face and It's programmers will be seen on thier reality. That is when the world will know whatt they have been dealing with. It is just a matter of time.
RE: I cover my face because XP is a pain in written by yoda-master-jedi:
Offline install?
writen by: TechieMoe on 2006-04-24 14:50:02
Not a bad article overall, if a bit... forgiving for my taste. What I'd really like to see is something like this that points out distributions for people who [b]do not[/b] have broadband internet access, and therefore must rely on the distribution's own media to install everything. This would seriously reduce the recommendations for distributions such as Gentoo and Ubuntu, which rely heavily on internet access to make the system a complete desktop for users like myself. There are an awful lot of people out there who simply cannot get broadband for whatever reason (price, availability in their area, bad telcom companies), and a lot of distributions completely ignore this group, as does this article.
RE: Offline install? written by TechieMoe:
goodbye CLI
writen by: superdog on 2006-04-26 07:27:16
Like many pc users I am dyslexic and find a command line interface impossibal to use ( in dos too ) so any move towards non CLI based utilites I welcome. I still use workbecth 3.1 on my amiga and hate it. If stuffy purists like the CLI they can keep it. But any distro that is easy to setup without the CLI is for me, Suse 10 was oh so nice to me.
RE: goodbye CLI written by superdog:
you're just being singe-minded
writen by: sopo on 2006-05-14 12:58:20
This isn't supposed to be a LInux vs. Windows debate, but seeing as you started it, i might as well reply. My WinXP, for example, has been running perfectly for more than 2 years now. And it's been through 3 major h/w upgrades (MoBo, Graphics adapter, etc). I never got a blue screen, it's virus free and it even made up-times of ~1 month (probabely would have gone further, but I needed to get a HDD out). Of course one has to keep it updated with SP's and security updates, but you have to do that with Linux distros too, don't you? I must state that I'm not a MS fan, or whatever you wanna call it. I enjoy both, each having it's own purpose. I mean, I wouldn't be reading this if I wasn't interested in Linux, right? I'm just saying you're being single-minded, that's all.
RE: you're just being singe-minded written by sopo:
Automount in Ubuntu? YEAH RIGHT!
writen by: nintendofreq on 2006-05-16 17:40:18
I tried Ubuntu as my first distro. Wish I hadn't. Not good as a first distro. ANyway, I had to go into the help files, look up windows partitions sections there, either use a command line (something newbs hate) like it said or figure out where the graphical disks util was. Found that, then it automagically mounted them. But not until I told it to.
RE: Automount in Ubuntu? YEAH RIGHT! written by nintendofreq:
Xandros Packages ...
writen by: nixN00b on 2006-05-17 13:53:00
You can install Xandros Open Circulation edition, set the sources for the Xandros Networks Apt-get GUI from the list on the forum and in three minutes have more software availible then any other distro availible except maybe debian itself. "includes proprietary components" - Oh no, so does every fricken Linux system that a desktop user would use. Flash and Java are ad-hock standards in case you haven't noticed, accept it. Why is this a con? You GNUthiests need to get a clue! Whoever wrote this is a moron.
RE: Xandros Packages ... written by nixN00b:
Fedora IS bleeding edge... in a matter o
writen by: KClaisse on 2006-05-18 06:12:42
Just to put my $.02 worth. I think that when they say bleeding edge when refering to fedora they mean that each FINAL release is more less bleeding edge. Some other distro may update periodicaly but only minor updates. When a distro moves over an entire number (i.e. not 2.12 to 2.2, but 2 to 3) then you compare to fedora and see whos bleeding edge..
RE: Fedora IS bleeding edge... in a matter o written by KClaisse:
Thumbs up to PCLinuxOS
writen by: Hitmouse on 2006-05-21 13:21:42
I have to agree PCLinuxOS has been the easiest for my conversion from Windows to Linux. I am suprised! It doesn't get much for headlines. After installing 9 different distibutions I found PCLinuxOS works the best for me. But I am disappointed at the lack of main stream games for Linux such as Call of duty, BF2, Unreal... (still exploring W.I.N.E. for this purpose)
RE: Thumbs up to PCLinuxOS written by Hitmouse:
Gentoo, LFS
writen by: Jac on 2006-06-07 15:54:40
One thing the article forgets to mention is that source distros such as Gentoo or [url=www.linuxfromscratch.org]LFS[/url] will also work on old hardware e.g. a 486 or a Pentium I. Many recent distros are compiled in 686 mode (including the latest Gentoo live disk, actually) but with a source distro you compile your own. An excellent way to revive an old clunker that you forgot to throw away but that's too tired to run Windows. I run Gentoo on a Dell Pentium laptop at 166MHz with BlackBox as window manager and it appears almost as fast as Windows XP on my 2.4GHz Pentium4. Besides, going through e.g. the LinuxFromScratch online book will teach you a _lot_ of interesting stuff on how Linux boots, and on how things work and why.
RE: Gentoo, LFS written by Jac:
Quantify comparisons
writen by: Francis on 2006-07-28 00:31:20
Just my 2 cents opinion. It would be nice to quantify comparison such as speed (complete a specified task in 99 seconds), up to date (kernel / software versions), etc. I think that could make discussion more constructive.
RE: Quantify comparisons written by Francis:
Similarities in Distros
writen by: elliot on 2006-07-31 19:25:02
For people unfamiliar with Linux and businessman who need high productivity I think would find the whole idea of Distros foreign. Windows provides different flavors for different uses, such as home use, server use, commercial use, etc. but many Linux flavors are basically the same. I would like to see an article that explains how all Distros are in fact almost identical, but differ slightly in their details.
RE: Similarities in Distros written by elliot:
GENTOO - ON THE REGRESSION SLOPE ?
writen by: HMag on 2006-08-01 06:20:42
In 2005, I installed a 2005.0 - Not really straightforward, but feasible. This month, I decided to try 2006.0 in order to decide for the move. I created a dedicated disk partition on my computer, just for this purpose... 1 - FIRST TRIED THE INSTALLATION CDs But, immediately, you face a problem if you are not a pure American : the 'dokeymap' kernel option does not work, so no way to work correctly from the live CDs if not having a qwerty layout... Painful if you expect, like I do, to tune your install as you like (and as a new graphical installed does not). 2 - DECIDED TO INSTALL WHILE MY 2005.0 RUNNING Then, I decided to install in a CHROOTed environment - like the handbook advertises it as possible. Of course, the 'release' Portage tarball is not complete, and dated from 2006/01 - My first operation was to update it ('emerge --sync'), and to update the portage program as recommended (both by the system and many bugzilla entries). 3 - IMPOSSIBLE TO UPDATE PORTAGE The 'portage' package (a core component of Gentoo) could not be updated because of a bug in the distributed package for Perl-5.8.8.. So, I gave up with this operation, hoping for the pre-compiled version coming with Stage3 to be up-to-date enough... 4 - IMPOSSIBLE TO EMERGE KDE The compilation options delivered in the 'portage' system do not comply with the pre-compiled version of libraries present in the Stage3 'ready-to-use' binary system. I had to find out the problem, a 'posix' flag to be removed. 5 - IMPACTING CHANGES NOT DOCUMENTED After 2 days (working in the evening only), I could work with my 'new' KDE (3.4 instead of 3.3 in my very nice Gentoo 2005.0) - Surprises went on. In 2005.0/KDE3.3, I could easily log in as root in KDE. Now, no longer possible. In 2005.0, the 'su' and 'sudo' were installed by default. Now, I have to download, configure and install them. etc...etc...etc...etc... 6 - CONCLUSION Since 2006, Gentoo seems to have gone for the 'features race' as a very well-known proprietary system vendor. What if all these brand new and fresh features cannot be used because of obvious lack of unitary/integration testing ? Gentoo developers should understand that they don't work for their own fun and self satisfaction, but that some users are expected for what they do to work as advertised. Currently, this is DEFINITELY WRONG for 2006.0. Thus, I stronly _DO_NOT_RECOMMEND_ anybody (even with some years experience under Linux) to spend time at downloading, configuring, setting up Gentoo (2006.0). I'm wrong ? Try : get the 2006.0 system working, your KDE operational, in your preferred language, the sound and wi-fi working. When you are done, and only at this time, reply to this rating. Now, I am seriously looking for another distrib, more serious. My private time is not counted, but this is not a reason to wasting it on efforts that cannot succeed. -HMag-
RE: GENTOO - ON THE REGRESSION SLOPE ? written by HMag:
the Solutionator
writen by: Mike on 2006-12-09 14:29:27
RE: the Solutionator written by Mike:
the Solutionator
writen by: Mike on 2006-12-09 14:34:05
RE: the Solutionator written by Mike:
Hell yeah - PCLinuxOS is one of the best
writen by: MN on 2007-01-16 20:55:12
RE: Hell yeah - PCLinuxOS is one of the best written by MN:
Geek-in-training
writen by: Don Crowder on 2007-01-30 21:31:40
Debian is my first choice because it runs on older hardware and not everyone can afford a new computer but I've tried both Kubuntu and PCLinuxOS and I have to say taht PCLinuxOS blew me away. Our printer, digital camera and SansDisk drive just worked and that was certainly not the case in Kubuntu. I really don't understand why PCLinuxOS gets so little attention from people who represent themselves as objective observers. Go figure.
RE: Geek-in-training written by Don Crowder:
good collection
writen by: vivek on 2007-02-07 03:58:52
but i prefered fedora
RE: good collection written by vivek:
Ubuntu / SuSE
writen by: Aesrak on 2007-03-05 02:08:00
I think SuSE is the best because it just works well and comes with many applications ready to use. (I have only tried SLED 10 so far) I also think Ubuntu is really good because it is based on Debian so all the software and packages are easy to install! Really, I think SLED 10 is the best. [url=www.novel.com/linux]www.novel.com/linux[/url]
RE: Ubuntu / SuSE written by Aesrak:
Granny's knowledge
writen by: Jim on 2007-03-23 10:38:42
RE: Granny's knowledge written by Jim:
No CLI?
writen by: Ross on 2007-07-03 20:53:25
Marcel Gagne has a book called Moving to Linux, Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodby. I read it and was shocked, shocked, I tell you that NOWHERE did he mention compiling from source or even the CLI.
RE: No CLI? written by Ross:
the jojo
writen by: jojo on 2007-07-16 03:39:21
Free Software Philosophy, no such a thing as 'Open Source philosophy'
RE: the jojo written by jojo:
Fedora rules
writen by: vista lover on 2007-08-07 07:36:09
but vista is better
RE: Fedora rules written by vista lover:
vista is slow and crasishes explorrer wi
writen by: william on 2007-08-17 23:36:48
RE: vista is slow and crasishes explorrer wi written by william:
Slackware
writen by: Dominique on 2007-08-22 05:18:59
I am an old Slackware user. But I just install Slack 12 yesterday and it seems not quite right. I also experience mysterious bugs in Slack 10 about 2 years ago. This leads me to believe that Slackware is not that stable after all any more. To me it seems that Slackware 3 was better than Slackware 12.
RE: Slackware written by Dominique:
PSLinuxOS is a just a bad Mandriva clone
writen by: Me on 2007-09-17 23:27:57
RE: PSLinuxOS is a just a bad Mandriva clone written by Me:
The 10 Commandments
writen by: Emperor Bill on 2007-10-21 07:15:02
[1] I, Emperor Gate$, am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have any other gods besides me. Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image. [2] Windows is far more stable than Linux. [3] Windows is easier to use. [4] Windows = Easier configuration and management + predictability [5] Linux is not secure because of the 'everyone can see the code’ approach. [6] Microsoft and the Windows ecosystem provides customers with more choice than any other server platform. [7] Microsoft approaches interoperability by design. [8] Linux is not free. [9] Thou shalt not take the name of Emperor Gates in vain. [10] Never pronounce 'Linux', 'Open Source' and 'Free'. By Emperor B. Gate$, King of all Kings
RE: The 10 Commandments written by Emperor Bill:
PEBKAC lesson
writen by: James on 2007-12-19 01:07:58
RE: PEBKAC lesson written by James:
PCLinuxOS
writen by: thomas on 2007-12-30 03:35:53
RE: PCLinuxOS written by thomas:
Good list but Slack makes me mad =o(
writen by: Superfly on 2008-01-20 21:56:41
RE: Good list but Slack makes me mad =o( written by Superfly:
that is why!!!
writen by: awen1020 on 2008-02-11 13:13:33
That is why there are lots of linux versions. It's up to you to choose, if you like it then go for it...You can not please everybody friends. It depends on your taste, it depends on what you like, maybe for others this is the best, bur for you it's not. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" even if we talk about this. It's something like that.
RE: that is why!!! written by awen1020:
Linux
writen by: 45thronin on 2008-02-13 08:42:18
I would absolutely LOVE to use Linux 24/7. Why? Because I've tried several different version/flavors, and absolutely love the speed and reliability. It is a durable system. I love the fact that I don't have to restart every time I install, or manipulate the system in any way. I just wish it was easier to install/troubleshoot/etc. The only Linux flavor out there that I absolutely fell in love with, and mind you it's not the die hard Linux versions like Redhat, etc, is Slax.org. I think these guys have the right viewpoint regarding a system. Easy to use, easy to install, easy to add/delete programs, go on the internet, etc. I love it! The only problem, is they don't have a hard drive version to there software, only to run on CD. Which is still cool, but not practical. Windows I actually like. I don't love it, as I started out on a Mac doing graphic design. When I got into Windows, I also got into System Administration. I did Systems Admin work in Mac as well, but it's not the same. The only version of the Windows Operating System I like from all it's versions, is Windows XP. Very good system. Reliable, and fast, as long as you know how to take care of it. If you don't, the damn thing just literally degrades over time with a lot of usage. The fragmentation in Windows is just ridiculous! Not to mention the spyware, virii, hacking, the list goes on. In that sense, that's why I've always considered either going back to Mac (which is WAY too expensive), or Linux. Personally, I think Linux designers should follow the lead of Slax.org. I think they are onto something, specifically because of ease of use. You have to understand that most users, even advanced users, don't want to have to go through a lengthy process just to add a freakin' driver. It's just a waste of time. Just my thoughts. Rock on baby! The One and Only, 45thronin
RE: Linux written by 45thronin:
....!
writen by: jpr13 on 2008-02-21 15:18:38
RE: ....! written by jpr13:
haah
writen by: tosco on 2008-04-06 13:23:07
hauahuahuahauh i don´t use linux!!! windows is BEST!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: haah written by tosco:
arrogance shows
writen by: whitetigersx on 2008-04-16 16:59:11
RE: arrogance shows written by whitetigersx:
Microsoft Sucks!
writen by: Mo on 2008-04-23 20:02:13
RE: Microsoft Sucks! written by Mo:
Games
writen by: mattD on 2008-05-11 14:08:50
RE: Games written by mattD:
A keyboard is a heavy thing!
writen by: oli on 2008-07-11 08:23:19
RE: A keyboard is a heavy thing! written by oli:
Linux vs Windows
writen by: Jay Money on 2008-07-17 07:38:13
I am an IT professional who designs computing environments for large and small businesses. I have always felt that Linux will one day rip the rug from under Windows' like an 10.0 earthquake, no warning and devastating. There is a lot of rumbling with PCLinuxOS, Mandrivia, Ubuntu, Suse and Slax. I have tried them all and more. Ubuntu was nice, secure, easy to use and stable (If you like Gnome). I do recognize the power and requirements of the CLI but the average user does not want to see it. I can get by with "Man" and "--help" but who needs that crap? Mandrivia - had the lead as a desktop O/S for a while but lost it. Installing apps and updates; too unstable. Installation is great, KDE 4 on Mandrivia with 3D - very nice. It lacked some refinement that MAC and Windows users love. All these systems had issues with VPN to Microsoft PPTP and integrating into a Microsoft computing environment except SUSE. Cisco VPN worked with all and basic LDAP functionality was ok. Suse was almost a Windows killer in 2007 but close - no cigar. Configuring security policies was not easy except for UBUNTU, SUSE and PCLINUXOS. Centos Server; free, stable and fast but CLI, CLI, CLI. Nice performance and stability. Red Hat Enterprise Server - lost it long time ago when I could not get a driver for an IBM X-series NIC for months. If money is tight on a project - businesses have no choice but to consider Linux. The stigma of Linux being public domain and risky is BS. Nothing has proven more risky than Windows but Windows makes it easier for experts to lock down. A locked down Linux box is just as secure and cheaper. I recommend Linux for IT services (DNS...) servers, Database servers, security and monitoring servers but not APP servers as yet. Open Office 2.4 is the most valuable software to hit the market in years. Thanks SUN!!! I measure value as BANG FOR THE BUCK and it has a lot of BANG for $0. I have not been able to secure Firefox as I can IE7 on a linux box for kids. The add-ons are nice but do not protect IM and Email. My kids however use Linux boxes and not Windows. I want them to be more familiar with what I think will be the future of computing. AS for a desktop O/S - I love my Linux machines at home but I would not recommend Linux desktops for a large company even though the cost savings would more than justify hiring Linux gurus. Unless we plan to send a linux guru home with every executive with a laptop, its just not ready. I wish Linux developers would capture more of what makes Windows so attractive and continue to shine where Linux kicks Windows @$$. Things like, ease of use, graphical interfaces for all functions and features, Universal policy control, better linux mapping features for integrating into existing computing environments, NO KERNEL MODIFICATIONS FOR SIMPLE THINGS, and finally, easier installation of software. What the heck is up with MOZILLA apps requiring LINUX expertise to install their apps. I love Linux, like windows but I am not ready to leave Windows for Linux just yet. JM So far - PCLINUXOS is on top. Then UBUNTU and Server = CENTOS are threatening. However XP, MS Server 2008, VMWARE, CITRIX, TACAACS, ORACLE, Cisco VPN and Active Directory RULES! Agree?
RE: Linux vs Windows written by Jay Money:
OpenSuse 11.0
writen by: Nathaniel King on 2008-08-09 23:58:13
The first Linux i was introduced to was OpenSuse 10.3, So of course i would stick with it because its easy to use and the only CON with it would be the K-Menu its really annoying.
RE: OpenSuse 11.0 written by Nathaniel King:
about ubuntu
writen by: t_robert on 2008-09-01 08:22:17
not much of a techie. have been using linux (ubuntu/kubuntu) for just about a month. but i'd say, there's very little i could ask for. the ability to run windows games is one. that's one of the 2 reasons i keep 20gbs of my 120gbs for an xp partition. the other reason being i have not yet found a replacement for encarta, which i find very useful when i don't have available internet access. linux still amazes me. for some time i thought i could not find an application to replace lingoes (dictionary/translation windows apps), then i stumbled across stardict. i'd also searched for a replacement for stickies, whose (hourly) recurring alarms i needed at work until i realized that kalarm can do the trick. the community is superb! you get an answer for almost anything practically instantly. i can't speak much about other distros. all i'm saying is that ubuntu seems rock solid to me. and if it does not suit the needs (or hardware or skills or whatever) of another, i'm confident that there's a linux distro that will.
RE: about ubuntu written by t_robert:
New user
writen by: Dennis James on 2008-09-08 18:42:51
RE: New user written by Dennis James:
UBUNTU over 75 distributors tested
writen by: Sai on 2008-09-12 01:05:22
over 200 of our users has tested 77 distros. A make few comments from 200 testers give same response on some popular distributions. SUSE> 98% said terrible slow update. graphical flaws in different machine array. alot aggreements that state this is not yours making the experience feel like a gateway back to microsoft. Debain> solid but limited Fedora Best for networking. and looks but updates sites are not fast enough but better then most rest of other dist. pclinuxos > lacking in size of community as well as alot others. UBUNTU was 43rd tested. 99% of the 200 that never heard of linux that tested turn to this one. main reason Update is more then 200% faster then any other distro. Ease of use is stableness was far past other distros. and the driver level among the largest community support with absolute no feel of microsoft but pure freedom. that is base of 200. I leave one more word in this post. I have ubuntu and kubuntu. but as of release to 8.10 with kde 4.1 it will be what our company will push behind to Our user base and local communitys we work with. Best Regard I add one point to new comers to linux. Flaming others for there view is not the linux foundation or there representives. The representives to linux are the ones that are steadily working behind what they can offer to Linux. I hope my post helps new linux users in choosing the right linux for them.
RE: UBUNTU over 75 distributors tested written by Sai:
PCLinuxOS
writen by: Magic MAckenzie on 2008-09-29 06:01:33
RE: PCLinuxOS written by Magic MAckenzie:
My choise
writen by: Rinia on 2008-12-18 09:58:46
Hello everybody. Soon I will get a new laptop what will be a back up for me and make free old laptop to install linux on it and experiment a little. From my point of view one of the most important reason why windows is so used is that users are familiar with it and are afraid to change. OK, I've decided already to go for linux so this is not any more my problem. I'm looking which distribution is the best, or better to say suits me more. And let me say, here is an other power of windows, it's (nearly) one choice like it or not. Linux, has so much that a newbie is so confused that will run away from all of them without even starting. Ok, Concerning my "Research" I'm thinking to go for Ubuntu. This is knowing it's roots (Debian) and in forums, users bring it easy to use, stable etc.. Actually I'm still thinking OpenSUSE as a possibility as well, concerning what I really need from it I think every linux distribution will suite so that makes my decision easier, just pick up one. Users look a lot on features that they will never use. An operating system for an average user must be user friendly to make their life as easy as possible, support for their basic applications or at list an application which can do the job and what is important not to crash. As I see almost all linux distributions has already this features. What's next... To convince users that linux is as easy as windows, supports all their needs (and much more than that) is much more stable and what is important they don't need to pay for it. All The Best Albanian dude
RE: My choise written by Rinia:
NO help files for me
writen by: a10112 on 2008-12-26 16:28:23
RE: NO help files for me written by a10112:
Vista is a virus in itself
writen by: a10112 on 2008-12-26 16:34:30
RE: Vista is a virus in itself written by a10112:
writen by: neza guillaine on 2009-01-31 02:12:40
i need to know how ubuntu works,its differents versions and the way it is used in servers, please let me know more about ubuntu
RE: written by neza guillaine:
writen by: Anonymous on 2009-02-27 22:50:54
RE: written by Anonymous:
suse and ubuntu
writen by: linux chest on 2009-03-26 02:11:06
suse and ubunt are the Gods in Linux splendid Gui .So they have the capability to take linux from geeks to the common user world
RE: suse and ubuntu written by linux chest:
RE: suse and ubuntu
writen by: paparts on 2010-12-08 01:26:20
I like ubuntu more. Puppy and mint are also easy to use.
Reply to paparts:
server = slackware or centos, desktop = mint or ub
writen by: paparts on 2010-12-08 01:28:16
I like ubuntu or mint when it comes to my desktop for daily use. Development is so fast and there are thousands of support. When it comes to server os I like slackware or centos in text mode. They have a lot of support especially for beginners like me. :)
RE: server = slackware or centos, desktop = mint or ub written by paparts:
server = slackware or centos, desktop = mint or ub
writen by: paparts on 2010-12-08 01:28:24
I like ubuntu or mint when it comes to my desktop for daily use. Development is so fast and there are thousands of support. When it comes to server os I like slackware or centos in text mode. They have a lot of support especially for beginners like me. :)
RE: server = slackware or centos, desktop = mint or ub written by paparts:
Will some one help to decide Which Linux version .
writen by: Muhammadanish on 2012-03-30 02:24:47
Will some one suggest me which Linux version i will use.


I Want to switch from Microsoft.



i am a software designer (student yet).


i am working on a web portal which includes PHP With MYSql and .Net With MSSQL Server.



so which linux version (etc. Debain, Ubuntu, Fedora...) i suits?

would some plz suggest me from his experience.


Thanks in advance


Danish
RE: Will some one help to decide Which Linux version . written by Muhammadanish:

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