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The biggest Linux event this December is without a doubt the new release of SUSE. It was announced early, the scheduled date was met and on the 7th of December the much awaited SUSE 10.2 was out and available for download. This time SUSE was in a very good position. Ubuntu 6.10, Fedora Core 6 and Mandriva 2007 were released in October, and this gave SUSE nearly two months to inspect them, learn from their respective innovations and make SUSE 10.2 the best desktop Linux distribution available on the market. Had they done so? I couldn't wait to find out!

SUSE 10.2 can be downloaded as a DVD or as a set of 5 CDs for x86, x86-64 and PPC architectures. There are also two additional CDs that you can download, one that contains language packs and the other one for non-open-source software. Of course everything is also available from the repositories, so if you're only interested in a default English Gnome or KDE desktop installation, all you need is to download the first three CDs.

I found the mirrors to be quite fast and it only took me an hour to download all three CDs. You can get them from here via HTTP or BitTorrent: http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version

The DVD contains both free, non-free and source packages. Also, A live DVD should follow the release and be available in the forthcoming days.

Installing SUSE 10.2

SUSE's installer is quite impressive. If you like options and the ability to choose every single detail of your installation, you'll love it. It is designed to be both simple and comprehensive to suit both novice and experienced users. At every stage of the installation you can see where you are and what remains to be done. It starts by asking you about your default language. Then it proposes to check your installation medias. After that you need to read a license agreement and you can choose whether you want to upgrade from a previous version of SUSE or go for a new installation. There's also an option which you can select if you downloaded the Add-on CD, which allows you to install non-free software from it. You then need to select your desktop. Gnome and KDE are available and none is selected by default. For the purpose of this review I chose to go for Gnome.

And then... you're done. A summary appears on the screen and you just need to press "Next" to proceed... Oh! But not so fast! If you actually look at the summary you can see that the default option for partitioning your drive is simply to remove everything! I can understand that partitioning was made optional so that novice users wouldn't have to care about it, but deleting all their data is definitely not what I would have chosen for them to be the default option. On top of that, the partitioning tools didn't prove to be very intuitive. Another bad thing about the installer is that it installs GRUB on the target partition by default. Most users prefer to put it in the MBR, so be careful about that summary and even though it seems "optional", chances are you don't want to go for the default options!

Although the installer is more responsive and faster than it was in the previous release... Although you can define exactly which packages get installed and get total control on every aspect of the installation... Although you are shown the time remaining between each CD, this installer is not as cool as the one found in Fedora Core. For instance, it doesn't show where its logs are kept and doesn't allow you to save the choices you made in order to automate future installations. During the installation of the packages (which is quite long) you can't access the Release Notes, so you basically get bored waiting for the installation to complete, and when the notes finally become available at the end of the process you're ready to play with SUSE so you're not going to take time to read them.

The message that asks you to insert CD3, is not labeled "Please insert CD3" but "insert '20061207-124705 CD3'" and if you'd like more esotericism you can press "show detail" on it :) It looks like some developer left the debug traces turned on (actually while I'm talking about that... dmesg is full of debug message from the wifi eth1 interface on my machine).

Overall, it's a good installer. It's full of options and it does the job. It's not fun though and it can be confusing for a novice user.

Inside SUSE 10.2

Artwork

There's a nice and Christmassy surprise in SUSE 10.2. The Grub screen shows a little snowy part of the sea ice on top of which is an igloo and a bunch of penguins originated from Pingus. One even has a Christmas hat. The boot splash is neat, and although it doesn't show any progress bar it looks very professional. As usual the SUSE desktop also looks really nice and comes with a nice selection of icons and wallpapers. The default theme is Gilouche and the default icon set is Industrial.

The default SUSE 10.2 Gnome desktop

Desktop

SUSE made a lot of changes to the default Gnome desktop. The most obvious one is the Gnome menu. It was replaced with Slab which represents an entirely new way to access applications and documents. Instead of showing a list, Slab shows an interactive area from which you can access nearly everything on your computer: Your favorite applications, most recently opened documents, your home folder, etc... Slab also integrates Beagle and a lot of other features, so you can search for nearly everything from your main menu, log out from it as well, access the help, monitor you network interface, launch the control center, the system monitor, and even the package manager. One place to do it all.

To be honest, it looks really nice. I'm not entirely used to it and I really don't know if I'll prefer this or the traditional way in the long term, but thumbs up to SUSE for the innovative ideas they put into this!

Slab, a beautiful replacement for the Gnome "Applications" and "Places" menus

The traditional Gnome "System" menu also disappeared and was replaced with a "Control Center" which centralizes all aspects from the Gnome and Yast configuration, and which also looks very nice.

Nautilus showing the home folder, the network and the computer.

Finally, there is only one panel and it is placed at the bottom of the screen. Apart from the fact that it reminds some people of Microsoft Windows, it makes the menus harder to access. However that's not an issue here since they were replaced with Slab. The absence of a second panel also gives applications more space to show their content, and this is quite positive.

Default Selection of Software

SUSE 10.2 comes with Firefox 2.0, OpenOffice 2.0.4 and Evolution 2.8.2. The kernel is 2.6.18.2. I only downloaded the first three CDs and went for the default selection during the installation process. I was surprised by the large collection of software that was installed by default. I couldn't find any IRC client installed, but apart from that there was an application for nearly every basic need and a large collection of games too. F-Spot and Gaim (although it's version 1.5) were also present.

Evolution 2.8.2 and Firefox 2.0

Package Manager and Configuration Tools

The last time I reviewed SUSE, my main complaint was about its package manager. Improvements were announced in SUSE 10.2's Release Notes so I had a look.

First, the package manager doesn't know where and how to find its sources and repositories. You have to find that information and set it yourself. There is also too many choices and not enough default values in Yast to configure this. If you're not used to SUSE you'll probably be lost. I had a look at the opensuse.org website and found out that I could add the following repositories:

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss

So I went to Yast to add these "installation sources". I clicked on "Add", I "specified the URL" and after waiting for more than 35 minutes for the first repository to be added, I decided to give up. An applet is present on the panel for the Software Updater. It probably works fine, but without repositories there's no much point to it. It takes a few seconds to APT to fetch the list and configuration for a repository, and I doubt SUSE's have more packages than Debian and Ubuntu have, so what can justify a 35 minutes wait? I hope this is only happening to me or that it's due to the repositories not being ready for the new release yet. (although it's version 1.5) were also present.

SUSE's Package Manager, sluggish and not intuitive

The configuration tools on the other hand are great. They're centraed in a place called the "Control Center". It has all the features usually found in the Gnome "Preferences" menu plus a few others added by SUSE. The interface is very nice looking and also very intuitive. From the Control Center you can also access Yast to administer the computer, its hardware, network and services.

The Control Center, a beautifully centralized configuration tool

Multimedia

If you download the CD edition of SUSE 10.2 you get a 100% free desktop. So restricted formats like MP3, DivX...etc are not supported by default. It is easy however to add support for these formats by installing a few packages and extra software. In this release the Add-on CD also makes this process easier.

Networking

SUSE 10.2 comes with the Network Manager applet and the Control Center allows you to choose whether you want to use it or not. The configuration is very easy and this represents an ideal solution for laptops. The Gnome desktop has all the tools necessary to access remote servers and to browse Windows shared folders.

Hardware Recognition

I was very disappointed with the hardware recognition in SUSE 10.2. As soon as the system was installed I ran into problems. In a majority of cases my hardware was detected but not set correctly.

My i855 graphic card was detected but Yast could not activate the 3D on it. This is something that worked out of the box on every other distribution so I was quite surprised to see that I wouldn't be able to run Xgl/Compiz in Novell's own distribution. I tried to set my screen resolution to 1280x768, but it didn't work either. The 915resolution was installed by default, but most of its modes were wasted.. . some resolutions settings taking two slots while other ones were simply not set at all. I had to tweak the modes and some configuration files to get my 1280x768 resolution working.

My ipw2200 Wifi card was detected but it didn't work either. I think this is because of licensing issues though, and it worked perfectly after I installed the ipw-firmware-7.31.noarch RPM package.

The release notes announced improvements on the detection of internal SD readers, so I thought maybe my Sony memory card reader would be detected as well. It wasn't.

Finally, I had a problem with my sound card which I never had before. It simply wasn't configured. I went to Yast, and it started to work after I "automatically configured" it. Why didn't the installer do that for me? I really don't know.

There were some good things though. For instance, the power management was improved and I could hibernate my Sony Vaio T2XP for the first time under Linux, without configuration :)

Speed

I couldn't test the speed of the system with the 3D effects activated, but I can say that I found SUSE 10.2 to be responsive and the applications were fast to launch. Of course it doesn't benefit from Ubuntu's upstart and in comparison it was quite slow to start. On my computer, from the Grub menu to a fully operation Gnome desktop, it took 1m54s.

Conclusion

Well, what can I say about SUSE 10.2? I'm very disappointed in it. It hasn't changed much. It still is one of the best desktop Linux solutions available, its configuration tools are brilliant, its Gnome desktop is great and uniquely designed but the quality of its package manager is simply unacceptable. If you've ever used APT before you can't decently consider using this. I had a few problems with the hardware detection and I would have solved them, but if the package manager is bad why would I bother? This release is better than the one before, and SUSE did what they did best: a great desktop with great configuration tools. Maybe it is time however they learn from others and start addressing what doesn't work. There are better solutions out there for novice users, and there are better solutions for experienced users as well. When I look at this I understand why some people love SUSE, but I also remember why I'm not using it.

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Comments about this article
i855 graphics issues
writen by: dopp on 2006-12-11 19:34:43
Clement, thanks for the great review. Would you be willing to post the xorg.conf you ended up with that allowed your i855 graphics to work at 1280x768? I have the same chip and am having no end of trouble getting the proper resolution to work with the i810 xorg driver in openSUSE 10.2. With vesa it works fine, but is horrendously slow. Thanks again, dopp
RE: i855 graphics issues written by dopp:
Couple of things...
writen by: Larry Stotler on 2006-12-11 21:48:42
Here's a Bug Report from v10.1 that was marked unfixable: [QUOTE=]Some users have reported that they have been unable to properly install 10.1 on laptops that require the Intel i810 video chipset driver. Specific examples include the 855GM. Other chipsets may be affected as the i810 driver supports i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G and 915GM chipsets.[/QUOTE] As for some of your other comments: Package Manager - Well, it's definately much better than v10.1's, but it does still need improving. I've never used apt-get, and I'm willing to bet a lot of others haven't as well, so maybe you could keep that in mind. What the entire Linux system needs is a universal package manager so that we don't need customized packages for every distro and every version of every distro. Hardware - I installed this on a PowerMac 9600 with a G4/700 and guess what? It saw ALL my hardware. My Adaptec 19160 PCI SCI card, my Promise ATA100 PCI card, my Radeon 7000, etc. About the only thing it didn't set up properly was my Monitor, and that was a simple fix. Newer and cutting edge hardware is always problematic. Perhaps next time you could download and install a Beta and offer feedback on your hardware. Might not be every user's idea of fun, but that's what this community is about. Updater - You didn't properly add an update repository. What you need to do is launch the update configuration tool from YaST. This is a big issue for me since this was never neccessary before. And, yes, it is slow. It seems that for some reason RUG seems to have to load the ENTIRE package list in memory. Nice idea, but not very well implemented. Lastly, remember that SuSE has always been targeted at the corporate user. openSuSE is the start of a great community project, but it's only 3 versions in unlike Fedora's 6. Most of us who choose SuSE have experience with it and are very comfortable with it.
RE: Couple of things... written by Larry Stotler:
A few points
writen by: Michael on 2006-12-11 22:00:20
RE: A few points written by Michael:
I mostly agree...
writen by: Frank on 2006-12-11 22:28:29
Good review! I mostly agree with your assertions... My brother installed 10.2 on his HP laptop this past weekend (I had downloaded the DVD image to try it myself, but he beat me to it!). The normal stuff did not work out-of-the-box: the Broadcom BCM4306 wifi card (but I found a Debian forum posting about installing and using ndiswrapper and I was able to convert the Debian commands into SUSE for him). We got it working pretty quickly, considering how much trouble I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ve had with my own Broadcom card. We didn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t check for WPA (using wpa_supplicant) because I just didn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t think about it. He installed KDE because, like me, he likes the eye candy. But he didn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t like the included NetworkManager and wanted to know what I was using (I use the stock KInternet from KDE 3.4). We\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ll set that up for him when we next get together. He had no problem getting his resolution set properly, nor was there any issue during the installation regarding partitioning or such (he had SUSE 9.3 installed previously and we wiped it to install 10.2). We fiddled with pointing the Firefox profile towards his Windows installation of Firefox, and ditto with the Thunderbird config. He wants to be able to remove Windows, but since he uses the laptop for business, he needs the fallback approach until he\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s ready to go cold-turkey. :) I agree about the GRUB configuration. I changed his installation to put GRUB into the MBR, but I read the Release Notes just now and I will try their recommended configuration when I install 10.2 on a spare partition on my laptop. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m curious about how it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s supposed to work. (If you install GRUB into the root partition, for example, how does it get loaded? It can\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t work based on the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"active partition\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" flag in the partition table, can it, since the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Boot Options...\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" dialog defaults to having that function turned off for the partition being used to boot!? As I said, I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ll try it.) We didn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t test his laptop\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s ability to hibernate/suspend, but that is going to be the killer app for me: waiting 90+ seconds to boot my current 10.0 installation just eats up too much time and battery power. Once again, good review. It gives me some things to keep in mind when I do my installation later this week...
RE: I mostly agree... written by Frank:
Negativity is so easy
writen by: OpenBSD 101 on 2006-12-11 22:29:20
[b]"I'm very disappointed in it. It hasn't changed much. It still is one of the best desktop Linux solutions available,"[/b] You're "disappointed" that it's "one of the best desktop Linux solutions available available"?! Give me a break! A very typical conclusion from the very typical lazy Linux user. [b]"If you've ever used APT before you can't decently consider using this. I had a few problems with the hardware detection and I would have solved them, but if the package manager is bad why would I bother?"[/b] Yeah, why bother? Go back to using Windows then. God forbid you actually have to learn and figure things out in the world of Linux. Stop your whining and look under the hood of the operating system! This review is a D- at best. -Nathan [url=http://www.openbsd101.com]www.openbsd101.com[/url]
RE: Negativity is so easy written by OpenBSD 101:
RE: Couple of things
writen by: Joseph Gaffney on 2006-12-11 22:41:48
RE: RE: Couple of things written by Joseph Gaffney:
Silly...
writen by: Joseph Gaffney on 2006-12-11 22:47:08
RE: Silly... written by Joseph Gaffney:
Again....
writen by: Larry Stotler on 2006-12-11 23:04:01
RE: Again.... written by Larry Stotler:
?
writen by: barthosch on 2006-12-11 23:35:09
What's up with all the &quote;s and \\\\\\\\\\\ ?
RE: ? written by barthosch:
Solo geek
writen by: Jim March on 2006-12-12 00:21:32
I've got OpenSuse 10.2 running right now on my sole computer, a slightly old'n'funky "Compaq" Evo N610c (actually one of the first of the HP/Compaqs). I switched from Ubuntu 6.10 ("Edgy Eft"). I had been running Dapper 6.06 for about three months, my first break from Windoze and had fully converted my whole life. Edgy on the other hand...had issues. Minor video glitches (old ATI Radeon 7500) and then the file system started to crumble after I deleted files from an SD card (known Ubuntu bugginess there). Sigh. So I decided to try OpenSuse and 10.2 had just came out. So far I'm doing OK. I managed to bring my entire Ubuntu home directory structure over to OpenSuse and get everything running, saved all data, etc. Very cool. The Ubuntu/Debian APT software installation system is so far MUCH better than OpenSuse, but the YaST system doesn't suck badly enough to make me want to toss it :). Stability and compatibility with MY hardware setup is excellent, 'cept my audio volume up/down buttons don't work like they did in Ubuntu...no biggy. Guys, the good news is that shipping your data files and basic configuration stuff (bookmarks, mail, etc) is easy as long as you go from a gnome-to-gnome or KDE-to-KDE switch. And do recall, I've only been doing Linux/UNIX/etc for about 3.5 months now, so if it's easy for ME...hey, this Linux thing ain't sucking so bad, is it? My hope is that the Ubuntu folks will get their (bleep) together next update set and I'll try switching back in a few months...OR maybe whoever is running the OpenSuse thing will sort out their software installer. (Right now some of the things I try and install in YaST give what amounts to "file not found on the servers" when I hit "accept" - I'm assuming the people maintaining the 10.2 repositories (I've got packman and guru plus the official ones) need more time to get sorted out which may be a lot of the problem...but it's still not organized anywhere NEAR the clean way Synaptic is... For others: if one distro chokes on your hardware, try another. ------- Long term, what we need is an add-on software management system equivelent to YaST/Synaptic/etc. that runs on ALL the major distros, is the only way to get the coolest apps and is not connected with any one distro. If one or two major Linux apps houses (Mozilla?) were to say "OK, this is the ONLY way you're getting our crap" to get the ball rolling, how cool would THAT be?
RE: Solo geek written by Jim March:
Is it ready for Enterprise desktop yet?
writen by: TruthSeeker on 2006-12-12 00:39:12
Is it ready for enterprise desktop yet? More specifically what would a company consider Suse 10 for ? Replacing the windows based PC's or the Redhat x86 servers or the sun/ibm legacy systems? Regds Alex http://www.pitchbuster.com
RE: Is it ready for Enterprise desktop yet? written by TruthSeeker:
Disagree
writen by: E@zyVG on 2006-12-12 01:25:34
I am not getting this review. I have installed openSUSE 10.2 on 7 different hardwares, including two notebooks and one Core 2 Duo hardware, and myself @home on Athlon64 and office Pentium 4 with i865 chipset with integrated video. Guess what, all is working nicely. And what you mean by out of box. Nothing works out of box, you still need to install drivers and tweak a lil to get your OS up properly. Regarding package manager, openSUSE has less, compared to Ubuntu and Fedora, in repositories, but is thanks to Guru and Packman we have all the necessary and famous apps there. Mplayer-plugin can be compiled in two secs .... do it ... it is Linux. For DVD install libdvdcss2 and voila ... another 2 secs. What is this whining and crying. I report this review as¨C¨. Too many mistakes.
RE: Disagree written by E@zyVG:
The metalinks were also quite fast...
writen by: Anthony Bryan on 2006-12-12 01:38:33
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalink http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Metalink Faster than the torrents actually.
RE: The metalinks were also quite fast... written by Anthony Bryan:
Wouldn't touch Novell Suse
writen by: Henry on 2006-12-12 04:03:33
Having recently sold the Linux community down the river by endorsing Microsoft's ridiculous patent protection scheme, why would you anyone use Suse? I've got rid of mine and good riddance.
RE: Wouldn't touch Novell Suse written by Henry:
YAST
writen by: rooot on 2006-12-12 05:12:51
i've been using Suse 10.1 for a while and i must say that its much better than mandriva, ubuntu, etc. i havent tried fedora though. Yet YAST is not the best package manager around. APT-GET sets the standards in Linux currently in my opinion. So IMPROVE YAST Novell guys!
RE: YAST written by rooot:
Joseph Gaffney is a dolt/troll
writen by: Nathan on 2006-12-12 06:32:57
[b] So please, find a better response than "Go to windows", or get off them internets. You're in my pipes.[/b] And you're a dolt. This review is horrible. Just because they don't like the APT they want to burn the house down?! Again, just another lazy linux user: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux/msg/0d3315b73f1c9c12?dmode=source Come on. The reviewer is an idiot and you are an idiot yourself ... nice how you were quick to pull out the troll card ... sort of like the pot calling the kettle black. The fact of the matter is, this review of Suse 10.2 is horrible at best. Whaaaa I can't get my APT working whaaaa what am I going to do?! Whaaaa the APT doesn't work, conclusion Suse 10.2 sucks! Whaaaa. If it doesn't work, fix it! But oh, that would mean I would have to actually do something and know what I was doing. Whaaaa.
RE: Joseph Gaffney is a dolt/troll written by Nathan:
Simple
writen by: blah on 2006-12-12 07:07:36
Perhaps some people just like to get shit done and leave politics at the door?
RE: Simple written by blah:
Freedom?
writen by: Steven Giles on 2006-12-12 07:42:57
RE: Freedom? written by Steven Giles:
Remove ZMD
writen by: kapeka on 2006-12-12 08:08:11
Remove the whole zmd Pattern (including zmd, rug and zen-updater) in Yast and install opensuseupdater and zypper and the System will run much better. ZMD is Crap for Home-User, but since 10.2 you can deselect it and it will run much faster. Some Repos are somehow broken, yet, so it might be the problem, why it did take so much time probably (or it was only zmds fault). So just try some other repos. I had one broken Repo, but the other were working as they should. And they were attached after may a minute or even less. And you complained about the missing feature for saving your installation-choices. But there is this feature. right at the end of your installation he ask you, if you want to save this installation for "autoyast". This is what you are looking for, as far as I know. With Autoyast you can copy your chosen Installation options on other systems. 10.2 is the Suse 10.1 should have been. This is not a big step forward, that's right. And it need not to be, because it's just an minor release, fixing bugs and getting things smoother and more up to date. And for this Suse has done a very good job.
RE: Remove ZMD written by kapeka:
Bad bad bad
writen by: Mark on 2006-12-12 10:18:48
I have to agree, this is a really poor review :). Still maybe I\'m looking at it through the eyes of someone who\'s had no problems with SuSE. Ok the package manager isn\'t the best but if Thad\'s what you\'re looking for in a distro of course you\'re going to put up with Ubuntus [legendary] instabilities. Don\'t get me wrong, I\'d love to have as many repos as the Ubuntu guys but I\'ve had so many problems with APT that you couldn\'t pay me to use it. Ubuntu has died on me so many times because of APT almost randomly removing or replacing dependencies. Uninstalling packages is a definite no no. Now that\'s never happened with Yast to be fair. When it gets in my way I\'ll have to reconsider this, but as a software eng\' I don\'t really see that happening. I don\'t download and install thousands of pieces of software. I\'m not asking for that much: 1) good multimedia support. Yay, it takes a couple of minutes to get this up and running, with very nice results. 2) good development tools & language selection. Good in more or less every linux*, but the package manager makes it very easy in this case. 3) good behind a very strict proxy. SuSE is the only one that\'s worked \"out of the box\" from here, nuff said. 4) good clean desktop environment. SuSE has always been ahead here, and with the refinements the guys have made to Gnome it\'s very hard to say no. There\'s my informal, though admittedly bias review :), Mark. The less being Ubuntu which doesn\'t even come with make, gcc etc. That\'s more of a reason to skip a distro. I hope this wasn\'t the one you were recommending for professionals.
RE: Bad bad bad written by Mark:
Solo geek
writen by: Jim March on 2006-12-12 10:38:37
I've got OpenSuse 10.2 running right now on my sole computer, a slightly old'n'funky "Compaq" Evo N610c (actually one of the first of the HP/Compaqs). I switched from Ubuntu 6.10 ("Edgy Eft"). I had been running Dapper 6.06 for about three months, my first break from Windoze and had fully converted my whole life. Edgy on the other hand...had issues. Minor video glitches (old ATI Radeon 7500) and then the file system started to crumble after I deleted files from an SD card (known Ubuntu bugginess there). Sigh. So I decided to try OpenSuse and 10.2 had just came out. So far I'm doing OK. I managed to bring my entire Ubuntu home directory structure over to OpenSuse and get everything running, saved all data, etc. Very cool. The Ubuntu/Debian APT software installation system is so far MUCH better than OpenSuse, but the YaST system doesn't suck badly enough to make me want to toss it :). Stability and compatibility with MY hardware setup is excellent, 'cept my audio volume up/down buttons don't work like they did in Ubuntu...no biggy. Guys, the good news is that shipping your data files and basic configuration stuff (bookmarks, mail, etc) is easy as long as you go from a gnome-to-gnome or KDE-to-KDE switch. And do recall, I've only been doing Linux/UNIX/etc for about 3.5 months now, so if it's easy for ME...hey, this Linux thing ain't sucking so bad, is it? My hope is that the Ubuntu folks will get their (bleep) together next update set and I'll try switching back in a few months...OR maybe whoever is running the OpenSuse thing will sort out their software installer. (Right now some of the things I try and install in YaST give what amounts to "file not found on the servers" when I hit "accept" - I'm assuming the people maintaining the 10.2 repositories (I've got packman and guru plus the official ones) need more time to get sorted out which may be a lot of the problem...but it's still not organized anywhere NEAR the clean way Synaptic is... For others: if one distro chokes on your hardware, try another. ------- Long term, what we need is an add-on software management system equivelent to YaST/Synaptic/etc. that runs on ALL the major distros, is the only way to get the coolest apps and is not connected with any one distro. If one or two major Linux apps houses (Mozilla?) were to say "OK, this is the ONLY way you're getting our crap" to get the ball rolling, how cool would THAT be?
RE: Solo geek written by Jim March:
915resolution fix
writen by: raldztech.blogspot.com on 2006-12-12 13:11:12
it's a 915resolution fix.. execute this in console: 915resolution -l then look for a mode that you don't use, in my case, I used "5c" so, I inserted this 915resolution 5c 1280 800 in /etc/init.d/boot.local where 1280 800 is the resolution.. this will load 915resolution for i810 in your desired resolution..
RE: 915resolution fix written by raldztech.blogspot.com:
SUSE 10.2
writen by: Dmitry on 2006-12-12 13:24:04
Open SuSE is an open source, so u have to tweak/tune it to bring it to full functionality. MP3, DVD: all these can be fixed easily from SUSE oriented web sites like: http://packman.links2linux.org http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser Almost any rpm package can be found there. All u have to do, just point your zypper or Yast to it, or u can install packages manually, i.e. rpm -ivh. Even NVIDIA driver can be install over zypper or Yast, pointing them to ftp.nvidia.com/drivers... If u like full functional system, try to purchase SUSE-10.2 from one of the stores, or install more easiest distro: Mepis. Open systems always require user intervention for tuning the system, some times it needs really professional knowledge to bring it to full functionality.
RE: SUSE 10.2 written by Dmitry:
There's my informal, though admittedly b
writen by: Dmitry on 2006-12-12 13:30:56
RE: There's my informal, though admittedly b written by Dmitry:
Gotta disagree there too...
writen by: Joseph Gaffney on 2006-12-12 18:59:29
RE: Gotta disagree there too... written by Joseph Gaffney:
Wow :)
writen by: Joseph Gaffney on 2006-12-12 19:04:48
RE: Wow :) written by Joseph Gaffney:
Happy with Suse 10.2
writen by: chestnut on 2006-12-12 20:32:19
I just like to add that my experience (so far) with Suse 10.2 has been very good, and am quite happy using this as my new desktop OS. (SLED 10 also takes pride of place on my Dell Latitude lappy, happy days there as well, even with wireless internet)
RE: Happy with Suse 10.2 written by chestnut:
Yast just sucks.. get over it.
writen by: neopath on 2006-12-12 21:58:10
poor,poor babies... This is simple fact of life: As a package manager yast sucks really really bad... You can tell us to go back to windows.. insult us all you want but at the end of the day the facts stay the same: compared to apt-get the software management portion of yast sucks so hard that words escape me to describe it.But hey, I'll try anyway. It's slow,unreliable,bloated and quite broken. And I'm not even talking about the sucky repositories. All two of them.Yes,because apart from puckman (I think) and the other one which name escape me right now nothing is worth adding... so will you please give me a fucking break? thank you so much.
RE: Yast just sucks.. get over it. written by neopath:
The above guy sounds nice!
writen by: Kiah on 2006-12-13 03:46:54
Good review, I was scared I'd read something like this:( I KNOW the installer will own because the only installer I've ever liked better than Suse's is PC-BSDs and thats because it only takes 11 minutes and you can do it with your eyes shut. (I wish you could have an "advanced option" and configure more stuff though, like what software is installed to PCBSD). Hardware in SuSE 10.1 I gave a 9/10. Mostly everything worked, and I have some exotic hardware. Strangely, the only things I can't get working are ipw2200, rtl8187, and ati 3d accelleration (I know, all the common things!!) - I really hoped they'd give it a 10, because then it would probably be the only good operating system that deserves one! (that I know of.) Seems like 10.2 will stay 9/10. Also, I LOVE YaST. It is a little slow, but hey it is everything in one, what do you expect? In the long run it is better than switching between a hundred apps. Although, it really REALLY needs more sources/packages added to sources. YaST has got, what? 7 sources and 250 packages I'd say. That SUCKS compared to Gentoo, Slackware, Debian and BSD/OS (Any, because ports owns :) ) It may not be as much of an improvement as I was hoping, but atleast it has a new kernel (I can't get 10.1 to update) and for the sake of it, I'm going to get it anyway. It might turn out to be my dreamOS, you never know. Although, I'm thinking of trying out a few other operating systems that look nice and are ready for use. Can anyone tell me what problems one can face upgrading from 10.1 to 10.2? I haven't installed that much extra software. Kernel sources, gcc, gambas, eric, wesnoth, opera and a few others.
RE: The above guy sounds nice! written by Kiah:
Out of the box..
writen by: Joseph Gaffney on 2006-12-13 10:42:09
RE: Out of the box.. written by Joseph Gaffney:
I am a Linux user, also Windows User, an
writen by: Coco Loco on 2006-12-13 18:41:29
if I could afford a Mac, I would not mind, one of my oldest system run Mandriva, formely Mandrake, my first distro was a Red Hat 5.0, the 2nd a Debian, I don't care the distro, they are all base on the kernel, the Linux kernel, and the only reason I installed 10.1 was because it was in a Magazine, and it is a nice and clean distribution. And it cost me 9.95CDN to put an operating system in my laptop who permits me to do everything I want. You will understand that my computers are for my work. For games I got a Nintendo Gamecube, these little computers are made for play and I don't care what OS they are running, because they are for my little entertainment. But I can't afford the same waste on my work tool. So to comeback with SUSE, it is a solid distribution, well maintain, and I will surely install it on an old reclaim Dell that I found in my basement, it will SUSE 10.2, cuz I need a HD....... and I will not have to pay for the Microsoft Expensive Graphical interface, which is not much than a graphic shell, btw all my machine are fully licensed, which mean I only have one Windows machine. But 3 other computers base on Linux. And I am happy with it. Oh and Yay.
RE: I am a Linux user, also Windows User, an written by Coco Loco:
Web developer
writen by: Paul on 2006-12-14 08:34:40
Well...Suse is very polished and I agree with the assessment of the Gnome desktop and general UI elements: very professional and clean. The only gripe I have ever had with Suse is the speed. It is by and far the slowest Linux distro I have ever installed and used. Slow in both app load and boot time. I run an Athlon XP 2800 with 2 gig of ram, sata drives, and a Geforce 6800GT, so my system is not slow at all. I normally turn off every service that is not needed after install, never use Compwiz, or whatever the heck that stupid XGL crap is called, and the system still runs like axle grease in North Dakota. Other than the speed and dismal package management system, Suse is very nice. It detected all of my hardware and was very easy to use. Now if they could just speed things up I might switch...hard to give up my Debian Etch install when I can get to a full blown Gnome desktop in 45-50 seconds, and have apt to boot....
RE: Web developer written by Paul:
AliceC
writen by: AliceC on 2006-12-14 08:37:28
Having installed the Suse 10.2 myself, I found it to be a stable and solid environment. The only issue I have is the name calling and childish behaviour in these forums and discussions group when people don't agree with the reviewer.
RE: AliceC written by AliceC:
It does work, ubuntu doesn't
writen by: tweetiepooh on 2006-12-14 13:53:42
In my case SUSE always finds the hardware I need. Ubuntu does not see my printer. SUSE does have some problems.
RE: It does work, ubuntu doesn't written by tweetiepooh:
as always...
writen by: Erwin on 2006-12-18 07:32:09
RE: as always... written by Erwin:
should i upgrade/bother with SUSE ?
writen by: cmarvel on 2006-12-20 14:42:19
If only SUSE was reliable! here is my wish list before i upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2: 1. clock runs too fast (AMD 3200+ duo thingy) - is this fixed in 10.2 ? 2. Sound is choppy - used to be OK in 10.1. In previous versions KMIX had to be uninstalled to fix sound. This is absolutely basic - how can an operatiing system mess that up? 3. DVD drives cease to respond when a disk is inserted. What's this about ? For anything serious like burning disks, copying, running a DVD I have to reboot to WINDOWS. Things that will never be "fixed": 3. After installtion, DVD's (no matter what kind) don't play. A long, time-wasting and tedious, not to mention frustrating search has to follow to find the effing drivers to make it work. 4. No drivers for modern scanners (Microtek 5900). I know just go out and buy some other scanner 5. No drivers for decent printers eg. canon 6600D. I have a 7800GTX video card that miraculously installed in 10.1. Will this happen in 10.2 ? A major problem with this LINUX isthetime one has to spend finding drivers, installing drivers, dealing with drivers that crash/destroy the installtion (eg. wireless wrapper thing on my laptop - what a time waster that was!) Does SUSE support VPN ? Can I install it and getting it working in half an hour ? (Takes 2 mins in WINDOWS). I have looked at UBUNTU 6.01 - looks great, but where is anything on that Gnome desktop ? Seems very limited compared to SUSE. Linux is WAY ahead of WINDOWS for security and all the time and money that is saved not having to deal with all those security issues that WIN XP and apps have, so I would love to abandon WINDOWS. FRUSTRATED
RE: should i upgrade/bother with SUSE ? written by cmarvel:
Printing in 10.2 is broke
writen by: Jersey Devil on 2006-12-20 21:46:01
Novel wants you to hand write every document. Yast crashes on a faithful basis at 4% detecting printers. Many of the forums are buzzing with this. This is repeatable with Gnome or KDE. Another great distribution, with a major flaw that is unacceptable for use on it's initial release. you have to keep kill -9 <# on y2base that is hung> To print - either wait for an update that is supposed to be fixed, or use something else.
RE: Printing in 10.2 is broke written by Jersey Devil:
humm
writen by: derrickdp on 2006-12-21 15:32:27
RE: humm written by derrickdp:
GRUB on the MBR default better ???????
writen by: Michel Catudal on 2006-12-27 08:26:06
"Another bad thing about the installer is that it installs GRUB on the target partition by default. " Are you nuts? My biggest gripe with a lot of Linux installer is that if I am not carefull they blow my MBR and I can no longer use the bootloader to boot other operating systems. I have 6 different operating systems to boot and surely don't want some damm installer screw up the MBR my machine. I have to then look for my OS/2 or Dos boot diskettes to clean the MBR. Installing grub on the partition as a default is the smartest move even made by a linux distributor. If you use the MBR for GRUB then you have to rely on one of the Linux installations to boot to your other systems. If something happens to this installation you are screwed. With the bootloader you can just wipe out a linux distribution and reinstall without having to worry about being able to boot to other systems if the install fails. As for the Ubuntu install, it is a joke. It gives me errors on every ext2 partitions I have and there are no errors whatsoever on those partitions. Slackware, Fedora and SuSE are very confortable with them. Debian has the same bug toward ext2. If I have a ReiserFS partition Ubuntu refuses to install on it. When I installed Fedora Core 5 on a ReiserFS partition it crashed on reboot. I booted on one of my SuSE installation and went to disable the selinux trojan and then it booted correctly. Fedora Core 6 was better, I was able to disable selinux during install. selinux disables proper use of the system. If I want a secure server I will use it but for a regular desktop it serves no purpose whatsoever for me except to piss me off by disallowing me access to the hardware that I paid for. This time I had it installed on ext3 not wanting to waste some time. SuSE Yast is the best of all the installers that I have used so far. The one thats sucks the most is the Debian installer, followed by Ubuntu, Solaris, FreeBSD and Fedora. How the hell do you install source packages with Fedora installer? The damm thing is so limited. Someone who is not familiar with Yast doesn't know what he is missing. With Yast you can choose what you want to the details. I love this. With Fedora you have no clue if you have all that you need during the install. After a Fedora install I am always plagued by obnoxious messages telling me that I don't have such and such dev package installed. The choice of telling the installer to install dev packages doesn't work right because it only installs a predetermined list which has no relation whatsoever with what I want installed and I have no way of cleaning the install until I reboot and install some other installer program that gives me details. And then that stupid installer is slow as hell. I haven't used Mandrake in years so I wouldn't know. I hated their default with the numlock on and it was too damm slow compare to redhat so I ditched it long ago. It did have the best support for French language though. It is one thing that I miss with Mandrake, with SuSE 10.0 it is completely screwed up on the command line. I hope it's fixed in this release. It works fine with Fedora Core 6 except that if I run mplayer on the command line and give a control C to exit the next step will be the reset switch on the PC. Fedora is really not ready for prime time despite all the goodies they put in it. It is a lot better than Fedora Core 5 though.
RE: GRUB on the MBR default better ??????? written by Michel Catudal:
Mr.
writen by: slim on 2006-12-28 01:03:17
RE: Mr. written by slim:
Idiots
writen by: your moma on 2007-01-09 09:51:02
The idiots in the Linux community are the ones who can't seem to develop any sort of people skills.
RE: Idiots written by your moma:
Net Admin
writen by: Mark Peart on 2007-01-10 07:10:42
RE: Net Admin written by Mark Peart:
another SUSE 10.2 review
writen by: NAyK on 2007-01-14 22:27:28
I'm writing this largely because I'm very exciting that openSUSE just printed 'perfectly' on my office printer... something that other distros were unable to do. And that sums up pretty much my experience with openSUSE: It works! I really enjoyed the install, I enjoyed configuring, and now I'm enjoying working (effectively) on my openSUSE 10.2 system. I'm certainly learning to love it. For further reading: http://alternativenayk.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/opensuse-102-review-phase-3-getting-ready-to-work/
RE: another SUSE 10.2 review written by NAyK:
Autoyast?
writen by: Kamatsu on 2007-01-15 18:06:50
In your review you say that SUSE doesnt feature a means to save installation configuration for future automated installations, unlike fedora. Ahem, you know that lovely message at the end of the YaST install, announcing that you've successfully installed your system? Well, just below that lovely message, is a nice little checkbox, which you probably didn't notice, because you were too busy writing a bad review, that says "Save this configuration for Autoyast" or something similar. You can use that to... whats this? AUTOMATE installations! At least investigate things fully before you try and review an OS.
RE: Autoyast? written by Kamatsu:
repositories
writen by: koen on 2007-01-19 16:15:57
Some of the conclusions drawn by the reviewer are NOT correct. - I think Yast was never a problem, except in release 10.1. - Simply by registering your distro during setup the repositories are added. And they are added FAST. Registering your distro automatically triggers the adding of repos.
RE: repositories written by koen:
SUSE Installation could use some work
writen by: Bulldog42 on 2007-01-21 23:33:03
[/quote] I am very much a newbie to Linux, but have 30+ years experience developing SW in all sorts of real time embedded environments(including Unix). I recently purchased a boxed version of SUSE 10.1 and have had a heck of a time getting it to boot after the initial installation. The SW included is impressive, but as I have a RAID 0 disk as 1 of of my 3 disks it is very disturbing that the SUSE does not handle my RAID disk at all(it bitches at the very beginning of the install that this version does not recognize this RAID, I am using an NVIDIA SW RAID controller arrangement on 2 Raptor SATA 40MB disks). So far I have struggled through trying to "figure it out" before calling the SUSE tech support, but I am just about ready to throw in the towel and call them. I am very experienced at sysgens with other systems and agree that Linux needs a little tweaking with it's install process. I admit that when I first got my RAID arrangement to work with XP PRO that it was not a trivial matter, but for Linux to over come the Darkside(Redmond crap)it needs some work on it's installation. Over all I have been impressed by it's installation compared to XP even though I don't yet have a stable system. The amount of application SW provided when compared to what the cost of the Darkside versions would be is WORTH THE SWEAT to get Linux working!!!
RE: SUSE Installation could use some work written by Bulldog42:
Open Suse 10.2 Video Card Issues
writen by: Mark Fruhling on 2007-01-26 11:04:40
RE: Open Suse 10.2 Video Card Issues written by Mark Fruhling:
Package manager
writen by: R30 on 2007-01-29 05:22:18
Allthough you're certainly right that the package manager needs improvement, I think your "35 min" experience is not representative. I had no trouble at all with fetching the packages. I agree that having to look up the repositories is user-UN-friendly. But then again, a lot of SuSE fans know where and how to find the smart package manager which is heaven compared to yast.
RE: Package manager written by R30:
;)
writen by: Gdoc on 2007-02-12 14:29:08
RE: ;) written by Gdoc:
Just me
writen by: Gdoc on 2007-02-12 14:42:59
RE: Just me written by Gdoc:
Research Scientist
writen by: Robert M. Elowitz on 2007-02-14 20:55:55
I recently installed the full Open SUSE 10.2 on my Intel Core 2 Due laptop with impressive results. I was suprized to find out that it recognized my Windows Vista partition and created a Dual Boot system automatically. I really like to 64-bit kernel that makes use of multiple processor cores. I also chose to buy Intel's latest Fortran compiler, which is probably the best modern Fortran compiler available, as it handles the "REAL*16" data type, and also operates on multiple processing cores. This compiler can compile just about every intensive scientific fortran code available, and creates 64-bit binaries, enabling enormous addressing space.
RE: Research Scientist written by Robert M. Elowitz:
Great Review
writen by: Go Go Go on 2007-02-18 02:17:50
I take offense to the person that gave the review a D-. This is a really good review. It's not correct to dismiss the issues of reliability, bugs, and the "mainstream". Perhaps you folks out there are more intelligent than me, that's quite possible, but programming has never been strictly about intelligence, it's about knowing arbitrary codes and artificial modes of thinking. I know one thing, if I can hack my Suse to work as I had wished it worked, which I can, then it could have been so out of the box. That's right, I have no special skills, and I can make the appropriate changes to make SUSE work as well as it should. Isn't that interesting? You know what else doesn't have any special skills? Computers, so it's a match made in heaven. This whole idea that you should feel good about yourself and "think things through" is delusional. You're patting your own back for having fixed what should be there to begin with. I've done it too, and in fact 80% of people using SUSE or any other Linux have done it too... don't feel special, there's only one way to correctly look at it, 80% of us wasted valuable time hunting for things that should be there. Let me give you a perfect example: Yast. Yast has this clean, minimalist, few words. Why? Why not have explanations written out right there? There's TON of space for adequate explanations of EVERY SINGLE OPTION in Yast, and yet, they aren't there. Instead, you get a Windows or Mac OS level of simplicity for something that isn't as simple. If you like that level of "control" fine, I do too, but how about a quick and dirty explanation? Don't need it? Me neither, not anymore but I sure as hell don't need a bunch of white space. 3d- desktop stuff: This isn't optional. This is NOT frivolous, this is NOT something that should leave us out in the cold the way it does. There's 3 relevant video card companies, this is a VERY LOW NUMBER. Intel, Nvidia, and ATI... no other company matters AT ALL as far as Linux plug and play support is concerned. If Novell can go to the competition (Microsoft) and work on this "special deal" how come they can't go to Nvidia and ATI, and say: Listen, some of your customers demand running Linux, and they'll be impressed by you, and by us, if we can work out a deal for out-of-the-box 99.99% "it just works". Sure, I got a kick out of recompiling the kernel with Nvidia support... but it later bit me really bad, b/c I blindly undated the kernel and my Linux was again completely broken... here goes installing Suse from scratch for the 1,500th time. I know Linux is about learning, and about server performance, and all of that. But going back to my original point, if I can make it work right, the smarter TEAM of people working at Novell can and NEED to make it work right. One more thing... things like going from Firefox 1.5 to 2.0 should be easy-breezy things to do. I'm actually a SLED 10 user, and I got 2.0 installed... but it wasn't simple at all. C'mon this is FIREFOX we're talking about. Linux needs a clear leader in the polished and ready to go category, and outside of Adobe entering the market, Suse is our only hope... and NOvell is pilfering that oportunity.
RE: Great Review written by Go Go Go:
MR
writen by: Don Marshall on 2007-02-18 18:37:15
RE: MR written by Don Marshall:
bootloader suse 10.2
writen by: arturo on 2007-02-19 14:27:07
RE: bootloader suse 10.2 written by arturo:
Excellent Review
writen by: Chris on 2007-02-21 07:08:48
I was previously using Suse 10.1 and i will have to admit that suse 10.2 made many improvements especially with the Yast and how well it installs and removes applications. The KDE gui was as good as ever and powertweak works really well to make the desktop run more and more like i want it to. Since 10.2 i have yet to touch windows on many levels because when i come to a point where i need to do something that i would usually have to do with windows i would always find a way to do it with Suse 10.2. Great review!! I'm looking forward to the implementation for major gaming support in the future for it will be the only reason i still have a windows box on the side. Chris
RE: Excellent Review written by Chris:
Mr
writen by: Don Marshall on 2007-02-21 10:49:54
RE: Mr written by Don Marshall:
complaining about complaining LOL
writen by: stolennomenclature on 2007-02-26 23:26:54
RE: complaining about complaining LOL written by stolennomenclature:
too many distros
writen by: stolennomenclature on 2007-02-26 23:39:27
The biggest problem with Linux is the idiotic multiple distributions. These distributions are not created to serve the end users, but are for the benefit of the developers, so they can have fun and/or go on an ego trip. (Hey look. Ive made my own operating system! Look at that wallpaper!) I so hate it when people offer the well worn advice of "find a distribution that suits your needs", which basically means find a distro where the developers havent completely cocked up the bit you mainly want to use. Distros are so complex that it is inevitable that the developers have only attended to part of the job, and missed out lost of important pieces. So if you want to watch digital TV, you have to look for a distro where the developers bothered to put Kaffeine in the repo, and knew how to put USB firmware in the correct directory. Good luck. The whole point of an operating system is to provide a generic framework for any or all applications to run. You should not have to have a seperate operating system for each application, nor a different operating system for each personality type. If FreeBSD had TV support, which I need, I would use it and give Linux the flick. Unfortunately the FreeBSD developers don't seem to watch TV. But the BSD's have thr right idea. There is ONE FreeBSD - not hundreds of versions of it. I wonder how successful Microsoft would have been if it offered several hundred slightly different versions of its operating system.
RE: too many distros written by stolennomenclature:
New/old person
writen by: Steve on 2007-03-06 09:46:24
I just installed openLinux 10.2 on a brand new computer purchased without an OS. The machine has an AMD Athlon64 x2 processor, 1Gb of DDR2 RAM and 250Gb Hdd. I downloaded the first three CDs worth of files from the internet (4 hours of waiting) The install went perfectly. Suse found all my hardware. Then the auto updater went out on the internet and found 66 updated versions of the files it had just installed. With my permission, it downloaded and installed all the updates. No hiccups that I can see. I am very pleased. There is one issue that bugs me, however. Scrolling in Linux is jerky and not smooth like my Window$. Can anyone tell me why this is, and is there anything I can do to improve this. Thanks for your help.
RE: New/old person written by Steve:
Where is the install option on the SUSE
writen by: Robyn Hode on 2007-03-07 18:57:44
I recently downloaded the SUSE 10.2 DVD . However, when I boot the DVD, I find NO OPTION to install. The only options are to run the Live CD in Gnome or KDE or to boot from the hard drive. Where is the install option? Thanks!
RE: Where is the install option on the SUSE written by Robyn Hode:
I'm having trouble with the last step
writen by: vicard on 2007-03-10 03:00:14
I'm having trouble with the last step of the installation. After the release note is the last step that configures to hardware on my computer. For some reason, and I believe it is because my graphics card setting is not suitable, but openSUSE 10.2 continues to search for hardware configurations without end. It only detects the graphics card and nothing else, including sound or printer. I know that is very vague but does anyone have any idea why this might be occuring?
RE: I'm having trouble with the last step written by vicard:
Computer Biulder
writen by: Roy Barker on 2007-03-10 13:45:17
I just Got The cd for SUSE 10.2 I Built my own computer with a GeForce 1600 M-9 mother board and a 939 socket 64 Bit Processor with two New 80GB hard drives. I Installed the Software from the CD and there is and i am very pleased with SUSE 10.2 there are some issues with 10.2. SUSE does have a tech Support you have to got to SUSE web page, they offer updates too, Not Bad Not Bad at all, i am trying to get away from windows soft wear.it is getting to easy for me. I do not like the new verson of windows Vist besides you have to buy all the extra software for windows.
RE: Computer Biulder written by Roy Barker:
RE:SUSE 10.2 Review
writen by: mike on 2007-03-13 18:25:06
RE: RE:SUSE 10.2 Review written by mike:
Linux is what it is and wont ever change
writen by: Cecil on 2007-03-20 16:11:40
Just because every other OS in the world strives to make things easy on the end user is a GREAT reason to keep it complicated. Linux has improved much in the past 20 years or so, but not as much as it could have. Too many linux users are convinced that linux is flawless and nothing needs to change. If grub under ubuntu crapos itself its the users fault and it should be peachy for them to spent another hour fixing it, and when mp3 support is problematic because suse decides it doesn't like a signature and locks the package so it can't be forced, no biggie. Linux is not supposed to be easy at all. It would be bad if any old joe could whip out a distro and roll. Very bad indeed. And not having to sudo for 3 days just to get mepis to switch resolutions, even worse. I am a veteran of Linux, I have been here since '88. I am also a tech, programmer and windows user and I can tell you there is a reason that linux doesn't dominate in shares. And it is Linux users who inhibit evolution screaming that it HAS got to be complicated. The first step in curing something...LOL. Maybe, just maybe its not that everyone else is too stupid to use the cli for everything, maybe too many linux users are too stupid to realize that you have to be sadist or a retard to want a CLI to be the sole option. In the time it takes to get apt working on suse I can get 2k or XP up and running and my clientelle will have already finished their projects. I AM SO SICK OF HEARING HOW PENGUIN DROPPINGS DON"T STINK
RE: Linux is what it is and wont ever change written by Cecil:
SuSE is Dead. Long Live SuSE!
writen by: andrew on 2007-04-27 10:27:34
I've got a long history with SuSE, and it's unfortunate to see what used to be the best (IMHO) distribution turn out so poorly. Remember when YOU gave you a list of mirrors you could choose from, or add to, and how the whole thing was lightning fast? YOU would launch almost instantly. The list of updates would be read and begin installing with speed that would make 10.x blush. I really hate to say it but I find myself moving away from SuSE at an ever faster pace. 10.1 was okayonce I got past all the problems with libzypp and the broken sotfware updater, and the remastered 10.1 disk was somewhat better (it's still on my laptop). Overall, it seems that since 9.3 SuSE has steadily diminished. I wold have gladly continued to buy the boxed distribution forever. Now, with the fusion of all the mono junk (my apologies to mono programmers. Clearly, mono is suited well for many things as long as it's kept from the hamds of Novell) and increasingly laborious configuration I feel compelled to move on. I still have my set of 8.0 disks arouns if anyone wants them... :(
RE: SuSE is Dead. Long Live SuSE! written by andrew:
Hi
writen by: pedram on 2007-04-28 06:53:49
RE: Hi written by pedram:
Nothin but Problems!!!
writen by: spectrix on 2007-05-19 18:03:37
Recently I had installed a GeForce 8600GTS. Everything works smoothly with windows, but I could not get the GUI to start up with opensuse 10.2 / It was working fine until I put the video card in. Fortunately, I was able to get the command prompt and go to run level 3 to install the driver. I made sure I had kernel-source and gcc, but I did not have make. The driver installed and made a kernel since it could not locate one. And for anyone that might ask...yes I made sure I put the right driver in... it's the NVIDIA-Linux-x86_641.0-9755-pkg2.run driver. After many failed attempts the driver seemed to install fine, but as soon as I ran startx it would just go to a black screen with no audio. If I take out my video card I can manage to get into the command prompt and work from there, but I can't get into startx with or w/o the video card now...and if the card is in I cannot do anything because it automatically goes to run level 5 and then the black screen. If anyone can give me something to push at I would be greatly appreciated.
RE: Nothin but Problems!!! written by spectrix:
Driver download
writen by: Phil on 2007-05-22 07:51:37
Is it supported yet? I had a look at the Nvidia website and there wasn't the option to download a linux driver for that card http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
RE: Driver download written by Phil:
Sound problems with intel onboard
writen by: Andrew MacFarlane on 2007-06-08 14:21:07
So far, I am quite impressed by opensuse10.2, but I am having significant difficulty getting my new machine with an intel D945GNT motherboard, which has onboard high definition audio), to make any sort of a peep. The 945G chipset has the 82801 (ICH7) which according to suse should be autodetected, so I don't think its an issue of the hardware being too new for the driver. Any advice would be appreciated. AM
RE: Sound problems with intel onboard written by Andrew MacFarlane:
Why Linux is the right one for me
writen by: Tom van der Vlugt on 2007-06-16 11:47:05
Hi all, I've always used Windows (XP) for doing e-mail works and intensive internetting. Because of its slowness I'd like to give Linux total command of my computers instead of a shared Windows/Linux dual-boot configuration. Firstly before the Geat Move, I've grabbed a copy of Mozilla's Thunderbird into my Windows installation and it copied my e-mail system perfectly. I saved my work to a USB stick and I exported some other configuration data to the same stick. I installed Linux including FireFox/ThunderBird, applied the updates. That was a HUGE load of updates, but the wait is perfectly worth. I deleted ZenWorks and Beagle, since both packages consume a lot of resources. Without these packages even an old Pentium III performs very well. I've decided to use Zypper for standard security updates provided by Novell/Suse and I allow Zypper to update my Mono stack. Mono is getting better and better and I expect that Mono will outperform Visual Studio from MS. Now Mono is not that good, because it's very very young. I've installed smart from Guru's site for doing multimedia and applications. I've also tried to update my KDE from 3.5.5 to 3.5.7 but my desktop system became skrewed. Happily I was able to downgrade from KDE 3.5.7 back to 3.5.5 and I'm happy again because the system now runs perfectly again. My e-mail was imported from the files created using the Windows version of Thunderbird and my mail loads very quickly into my e-mail reader. Even my address-list got imported. This is my greatest Linux successes. The following experiences gives Linux an A+: Java and NetBeans FireFox and ThunderBird KDE 3.5.5 (looks somewhat like Vista or XP installed with a nice theme) PostgreSQL VMWare Player (My XP-licenses run under VMWare-Player on my AMD64 computer!) KOffice 1.6.3 The following items should be polished before putting Windows away at all 1. OpenOffice.org (this is a Novell problem, the version included with openSuse is an old one :-( ) 2. Lazarus FreePascal (it's sevaral years a beta and installing components means recompiling the IDE) 3. Wine (it's still a beta and my favo Windows software still doesn't run (well)) 4. Monodevelop (it's still an alpha version, but it's getting better and better) I'm very happy with OpenSuse 10.2 and maybe I can throw Windows away in the future! With regards from a showery Holland from Tom van der Vlugt
RE: Why Linux is the right one for me written by Tom van der Vlugt:
opensuse 10.2 installation
writen by: anonymous on 2007-06-16 12:22:47
hi there does anyone know how to create multiple mount points on one partition while installing opensuse 10.2? i need help really quickly cos i'm busy installing it right now!!!!!!!!!!
RE: opensuse 10.2 installation written by anonymous:
Try PCLinuxOS, you'll have no such probl
writen by: manmath sahu on 2007-09-06 01:50:37
Try PCLinuxOS, you'll have no such problems. Textar and Ripper gang are working hard on PCLinuxOS Gnome version which will soon conqueror the OpenSuse base for more stability, better multimedia support, easier configurability and faster responsiveness. It offers some non-free components also. Visit http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com to believe it.
RE: Try PCLinuxOS, you'll have no such probl written by manmath sahu:
Ralink 2500 and Suse
writen by: Rolf on 2007-09-08 11:10:35
Why cannot this work out of the box?
RE: Ralink 2500 and Suse written by Rolf:
Windows rules!
writen by: Pero on 2007-10-02 04:22:29
Windows rules!
RE: Windows rules! written by Pero:
writen by: Anonymous on 2007-10-03 00:36:53
RE: written by Anonymous:
Real distro.
writen by: fumanchu182 on 2007-10-24 13:11:22
RE: Real distro. written by fumanchu182:
thanks
writen by: albhsni on 2008-04-16 11:13:55
RE: thanks written by albhsni:
steps to take Backup and Restoration of
writen by: kishor kulkarni on 2008-06-19 00:13:33
Hi, I am new to Linux. we are using Open SUSE os on our server. As a precaution I want to take a backup of application which we r using on it. Can you suggest (Guide)me the steps of Backup and Restoration so that I can continue the schedule for the same. Thanks and Regards, Kishor Kulkarni.
RE: steps to take Backup and Restoration of written by kishor kulkarni:
suse10.2
writen by: colleen on 2008-07-22 12:08:38
RE: suse10.2 written by colleen:
JAD a 10.2 audio ?
writen by: Keudal on 2008-12-04 09:41:09
Not everyone can sacrifice 3 days of work for such an install and understanding the basis a linus functionning. I mean 2 point: Why mozilla turns 4 times slower in JAD than on $dows or other linux distro (such as fedora). It is neat to have tools such as streamer (idjc), windows replica Mplayer an the incredible tool DJing which never works here. The two first ones dissapered but are still there (no delete/reinstall possible), bugged me jack and so on, and finally discovered that the appli was not an appli but an applet of KDE not even signalized by kde. At the end bof, come to see what i have here,at least i got 5 albums produced with it (freee). Ill be surprised of the same under this 10.2 + its not tomorro that i stream again (i havent had one break in 3 years !!!). The rest of the audio is just terribly basic, and the exciting jack is bothered by your awfulll distro. It will rip from there soon, place tyo ubunto and speak to u when u are awake. Do u only realize ??? have you sen your bold type for exemple, it doesn't even work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DoKalUM aka Keudal Studio Lenvelopp (we dont play here, we work but for the glory, not the $$$$)
RE: JAD a 10.2 audio ? written by Keudal:
soul sacrifice
writen by: Keudal on 2008-12-04 17:02:55
It was hard but it was good and it works, but i am not happy of JAD and of the 10.2. I wont extend myself, i read the critics and the applause. It does not seem to me like really in line with what performed linux in other distro, and what could expect musicians today. Ardour seems alone in a field brought to the attention of "home" users. Endpoint ?, because it does not seem to be! I will keep it a while though to learn more about linux computing (it was my first install and it was ok, except for these damn' application disguised from plugs-in!) and in order to build my-own parametered machine. Keudal
RE: soul sacrifice written by Keudal:

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