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A Linux Distribution for an Old Laptop
Contributed by D. Travis North in Desktop on 2006-05-19 11:16:31
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Overall Summary and Ratings

It is important to realize that my ratings are derived with my specific needs and challenges as outlined above. You will note that I have rated Kubuntu / Ubuntu poorly as part of this study. If I had more available space, I am confident that I would've rated the Ubuntu family of distributions much higher.

Fedora Core: 2/10 points
http://fedoraproject.org
Advantages: Based on Red Hat which is one of the most widely accepted distributions. RPM package installation & upgrade method - one of the most widely accepted package systems.
Disadvantages: I was unable to successfully install the distribution due to hard drive space constraints. Graphic installation did not work, and I was forced to use the text mode.

Gentoo Linux: 8/10 points
http://www.gentoo.org
Advantages: Ability to maintain a small footprint while getting desired functionality. Optimized for your computer and needs. Great package/source manager (Portage). Unmatched community support and documentation. Professional looking theme sets and logos.
Disadvantages: Very slow installation due to compiling from source. Requires some prior Linux experience to properly complete installation (Example: Default installation ends at shell. It does not install Xfree86, KDE or the like which is up to the end user to install using Portage).

Kubuntu / Ubuntu: 3/10 points
http://www.ubuntu.com
Advantages: One of the easiest install routines.
Disadvantages: Fairly sizable footprint (2 gigabytes PLUS user space). Very few options for installation to minimize footprint. I was not able to get this installed successfully on my laptop.

OpenSUSE: 8/10 points
http://www.opensuse.org
Advantages: The most advanced and easiest to use installation program. It's post-install configuration utility (YAST) is one of the best. Most professional looking of distributions I tested.
Disadvantages: Community isn't very prominent. Hardware support is misleading (detected my network card, but doesn't actually support it 100%).

Vector Linux: 6/10 points
http://www.vectorlinux.com
Advantages: Small footprint (960 megabytes including KDE, GIMP and Bluefish). Simple and effective configuration tools and package management tools.
Disadvantages: Text based installation. Installation not perfect (LILO install and proc mounting troubles). Not for beginner Linux users. Small user base.

Final Decision

It was very difficult for me to come to a conclusion as to which distribution I would permanently install on my laptop. As you can see from my ratings above, I assigned the highest score (8/10) to both OpenSUSE and Gentoo. Both would have been absolutely perfect for my needs. So I had to carefully weigh the advantages of each. I really felt that OpenSUSE was the cleanest installation and the best looking. Even the boot loader looked and felt much better than Gentoo's. It had a lot of great system management tools and a solid package management system. Given better hardware, OpenSUSE would've been the ideal choice without any debates. But considering my laptop, the eye candy and management tools were not enough to pull me away from Gentoo.

As I had mentioned earlier, I was already using Gentoo on my server. I initially fell in love with Gentoo because it was so easy to maintain from a remote connection, which was very beneficial for a server. When it came to picking a distribution for my laptop, this was no longer an area of concern. It was highly unlikely that I would ever need to maintain my laptop from a remote location. Before doing this study, I was expecting to end up using a different distribution. However, I overlooked two benefits of Gentoo (or any source-based distribution) that I had previously taken for granted: It's small size and it's optimized performance. If only for these two reasons, Gentoo was the natural choice.

Conclusion

This entire study was an incredible learning experience. Not only did I find the ideal distribution for my laptop, but I was exposed to different views and different ways of doing things. For example, my new installation of Gentoo will use the ReiserFS instead of the old standard file system, ext3. I was exposed to ReiserFS for the first time with OpenSUSE, which uses the file system by default. In my opinion, I found the ReiserFS to be much faster on my ancient hard drive. I was also exposed to more modern package management systems which I hadn't used in over three years. I am happy to see the advancements that have been made in those distributions. I am confident that Linux will continue to grow in popularity and usability.

I'm glad I placed this experiment upon myself. I think that, too often, myself and others have gotten locked into a distribution that they don't know what's evolving out of the remainder of the Linux world. In the end, I ended up back with the distribution I have favored all this time. But I am much more aware of what other distributions are doing. With this knowledge and experience, I will watch as these other distributions evolve and I will likely revisit this study again and again. Now, I am much wiser and much happier that I did not blindly choose a distribution for my laptop. That said, don't take my study for grail. You should do your own evaluations before you decide which distribution is perfect for your needs.

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Discussion(s)
800 megahertz Celeron, 128MB ram
Written by reckless2k2 on 2006-05-19 13:59:22
I find it amazing that you were able to run Windows XP on that spec laptop. If it runs it must be a performance crawl and it must be sparse of applications.
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?
Written by jojobah on 2007-12-18 23:50:01
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I find it amazing that you were able to run Windows XP on that spec laptop. If it runs it must be a performance crawl and it must be sparse of applications.





i run xp on a ibm thinkpad 390 2626 50f with 96 meg ram and ms office 2003 . !!!! its a 233mhz with a graphic card of 2,5mg!!

yeah and after i boot about a min few seconds it run more than fine amazing but on the net i saw a webpage that showed it running on 4 mhz true bios manipulation xp who new!
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Old computer?
Written by Tom on 2006-05-19 16:06:41
I find it amazing that 10GB + 128MB on a PIII 800MHz is considered underpowered for what you're doing!

I was running Mandrake 6.1 on a P150MHz laptop with 1.3GB + 80MB. I even had VMware w/ win98 on it. No, I don't want to go back to that. I started w/ linux on a 486 w/ 16MB + 340MB disk.

What can be run on *that* system?
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Laptop
Written by wobf58 on 2007-05-29 19:57:20
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I have an old IBM Thinkpad A21 and were able to install Ubunte. WLAN was working right after installing. Just great. Now i bought a new laptop, MSI M675 with AMD Turion X2. Does anybody has experience with this laptop and Linux installs? I would like to run SuSE but I am open to any other Distribution as long as I get the WLAN to work.




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You should really try Mandriva 2006
Written by Djamé Seddah on 2006-05-19 16:25:36
It run without a problem in each laptop and pc I tried it.

Really.

go to http://plf.zarb.org
to have your urpmi (equivalent of apt-get) setted up and you'll see....

really

Djamé
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WTF?!
Written by WTF?! on 2006-05-19 17:59:49
2GB?

Install ubuntu in server mode (uses 32MB of RAM) then apt-get install gnome-desktop.

You can run ubuntu, you just have to TRY to run Ubuntu.

Rating it a 3 because you couldn't get it installed says that you probably should stick to Windows.

Worst case, you should have just not rated it.

As for documentation, you didn't look very hard.

next time try www.ubuntuforums.org and look at the stickys or use the search function.

Posted by a WINDOWS user that's installed Ubuntu on a 200MHz box with 1GB of disk space and only 32MB of memory just for the h*ll of it.
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dont expect every one does have such und
Written by Gunnar on 2007-05-12 06:03:05
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2GB?

Install ubuntu in server mode (uses 32MB of RAM) then apt-get install gnome-desktop.

You can run ubuntu, you just have to TRY to run Ubuntu.

Rating it a 3 because you couldn't get it installed says that you probably should stick to Windows.

Worst case, you should have just not rated it.

As for documentation, you didn't look very hard.

next time try www.ubuntuforums.org and look at the stickys or use the search function.

Posted by a WINDOWS user that's installed Ubuntu on a 200MHz box with 1GB of disk space and only 32MB of memory just for the h*ll of it.





dont expect that everyone think the way you do. Some people make their decisions based on buzzwords so they simply dont know that you can update ubuntu with 2 lines to kde.
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RV: Red HAT
Written by Jorge on 2008-02-21 15:52:50
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2GB?

Install ubuntu in server mode (uses 32MB of RAM) then apt-get install gnome-desktop.

You can run ubuntu, you just have to TRY to run Ubuntu.

Rating it a 3 because you couldn't get it installed says that you probably should stick to Windows.

Worst case, you should have just not rated it.

As for documentation, you didn't look very hard.

next time try www.ubuntuforums.org and look at the stickys or use the search function.

Posted by a WINDOWS user that's installed Ubuntu on a 200MHz box with 1GB of disk space and only 32MB of memory just for the h*ll of it.





dont expect that everyone think the way you do. Some people make their decisions based on buzzwords so they simply dont know that you can update ubuntu with 2 lines to kde.




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Zenwalk
Written by gujeroo on 2006-05-19 18:01:34
I also tried some different flavours of Linux on an even older Laptop (200MHz) and found that Zenwalk is an excellent Choice.

Like Vector it comes from Slackware, but it uses XFce, which is fast yet complete. It can be used to run either QT (KDE) or GTK (Gnome) Applications, but I prefer GTK ones.
I personally disliked Vector, it did not look 'professional' enough to me (dancing penguins and stars flashing in the login manager).

I would suggest giving Zenwalk a try.

Cheers
Gujeroo
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Fifth of November
Written by Phil Vance on 2006-05-19 18:14:09
For older laptops, I would recommend Zenwalk linux - it uses XFCE instead of KDE, but other than that, it meets all of your requirements. I've installed it on an old Sony PictureBook PCG-C1X with no major issues. My wife (non-techie) absolutely loves it. Small and zippy. It's a small group, but on the other hand, I made a request on the forums (better wifi support) and they had a better wifi app tested & included in the distro in about a week - hard to beat that.

When I saw the list of distros you were trying, I cringed inwardly - trying to get any of the big boys onto a HD partition that size is like trying to drive a Buick through the eye of a needle.
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just missed it :(
Written by Manny on 2006-05-19 18:21:40
It's a pity you didn't try the real Slackware, i can't understand why you were "intimitaded" if you see yourself "As an advanced Linux user, I found Vector Linux to be..."
You just missed the one that suits your needs, on my laptop i got XP, Gentoo, FreeBSD, Slackware. Wanna guess which one is the faster, easier to mantain, just works? Correct
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KDE is minimal?
Written by noone on 2006-05-19 19:04:12
I know that you mean "these are the minimal items that I require" when you put the list up, but lets be serious... KDE on a "I need a small linux distro on my laptop"?

I am not bashing KDE either... Gnome is in the same heavyweight
(titanic?) boat. As the other commenter said, it must have crawled with XP, why are you trying to clobber it once more with a heavyweight desktop??

Try a real minimalist but full featured desktop, there are plenty of choices out there (ice, WM, fluxbox, metacity, etc, etc)...
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Minimal use
Written by D. Travis North on 2006-05-19 21:12:50
It's slow, but not unbearable. Disable a lot of the frills and it runs okay. Believe it or not, inimum requirements for WinXP: 300mhz, 128MB RAM, 1.5gig HD (we all know it needs twice that).

That's not to say that my shiny new KDE on linux doesn't run faster.
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New Laptop?
Written by reidster on 2006-05-19 21:20:29
It is possible to purchase a new laptop for less than $500 that would be twice as fast, have twice the memory and 4 times the hard drive space. Of course, if money is an issue then a used or refurbished model could be purchased as well. That would eliminate many problems.

Or buy a larger hard drive. Often you only need to remove two screws to get to and replace your drive.

Just my .02 cents!
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Zenwalk !
Written by Devendra Vidhale on 2006-05-19 22:14:10
You should have tried Zenwalk linux too. Given your requirements, it makes perfect sense to go for zenwalk. BTW it comes with Bluefish pre-installed, although thats a non issue for most distributions. See www.zenwalk.org
Off course, nothing matches the glamour and attraction of Gentoo :)
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kubuntu
Written by Vincent on 2006-05-19 23:28:11
I assumed you did not go to www.ubuntumforums.org for any bit of help, right? Judged by your article and the reference you listed.

I was there when I first installed ubuntu on my P-III 700 MHz laptop and it was incredible how rich the information there. You might want to take a second look at ubuntu with the help of the forums.

There are reasons that Fedora and ubuntu are two among the most popular distrubutions.

Vincent
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archlinux
Written by Tom on 2006-05-20 00:21:44
I think you'd be impressed with the speed, ease of use, and hardware support of arch linux.

you have the power to use binary packages in a similiar way to apt-get, while still retaining the ability to build packages on your on, much like ports/portage.

I use it almost daily now on a celeron 1ghz laptop, much like your own.
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Mr.
Written by Rohan Dhruva on 2006-05-20 00:33:34
Wow, your laptop is faster than my pc - my pc is p3 550mhz 256mb ram. And thats the one and only computer I have. Yes, I have 'doze XP on it, and I run debian on it. It works pretty well. I have tried ubuntu, and it works perfectly. But thanks for the review, I might try SUSE now :)

Cheers.
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SLAX!
Written by garoo on 2006-05-20 00:41:26
Get slax: LiveCD is only 96mb of ram req, and can install from the CD, several flavours available, but designed to be small and fast, runs great on older hardware. Has KDE for the desktop, and you there are many modules you can add/remove to make a custom livecd.
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slax and puppy
Written by harocas on 2007-05-24 10:57:40
Slax and puppy es very good. probe Mepis
has KDE and more
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Get slax: LiveCD is only 96mb of ram req, and can install from the CD, several flavours available, but designed to be small and fast, runs great on older hardware. Has KDE for the desktop, and you there are many modules you can add/remove to make a custom livecd.




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Re: 800 megahertz Celeron, 128MB ram RE
Written by Béranger on 2006-05-20 01:29:41
No, in fact XP works reasonably on the given spec, though 256 MB RAM is highly recommended.
My own old laptop is pretty close: Celeron/850, 10 GB HDD, S3 Savage/IX 8 MB, and has 256 MB of RAM -- but was initially only having 128 MB.
Strangely, WinXP worked much better than Win2k on the given spec with 128 RAM!!
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merchandiser
Written by Bhushan on 2007-07-03 08:16:40
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No, in fact XP works reasonably on the given spec, though 256 MB RAM is highly recommended.
My own old laptop is pretty close: Celeron/850, 10 GB HDD, S3 Savage/IX 8 MB, and has 256 MB of RAM -- but was initially only having 128 MB.
Strangely, WinXP worked much better than Win2k on the given spec with 128 RAM!!




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what is old is really newer
Written by me on 2006-05-20 02:48:38
i thought when i read the top that he meant an "old" laptop and not a "slightly old" laptop. i was expecting a 100mhz one.
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gtk & qt
Written by Andre on 2006-05-20 02:49:38
your favourite apps are gkt based, and kde is qt based. I would not do that mix with 128mb ram. Using gtk everywhere should save some mb of ram. I suggest you to try xfce. maybe xubuntu would work good, I think it has a smaller hd footprint.
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Debian
Written by John on 2006-05-20 06:30:35
Why didn't you try Debian Sarge? I have a brilliant XFCE install with every program I could possible need for internet, multimedia, development and productivity that weighs in at under 900 mb.
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Zenwalk and Puppy !
Written by Caraibes on 2006-05-20 06:59:30
You should also have tried Zenwalk and Puppy !
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Mepis
Written by sasquatch666 on 2006-05-20 07:36:21
try Mepis it's a live cd similar to Knoppix but it also includes a nice graphical installer,it's a debian based distro,it has excellent hardware detection and I ran it on a similar laptop alongside winXP and it worked well for me.
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Damn Small Linux
Written by Nehemoth on 2006-05-20 08:44:00
Maybe you can try this
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

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WinXP runs fine on PII350 with 128MB ram
Written by fatso83 on 2006-05-20 09:02:43
I have finally replaced this machine with something new, but for me it was more than sufficient. In general it felt kinda snappy. Only thing was browsing with Firefox, which was kinda slow on WinXP, but really SLOOOOOOW on Ubuntu. Why there was such a difference I don't know (and this goes for all distros).

Actually it booted WinXP in less than 20sec, but this was only with Office97 and a few other apps installed. Trying to run Warcraft 3 on the thing actually worked with a GF400MX, but only as long as there wasn't more than 5-6 characters fighting at once.

I would guess a 800mhz celereon would be quite sufficient.
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not exactly XP
Written by me on 2006-05-20 09:04:28
I cannot speak for XP but I needed a "usable desktop" for my old 133 PI with 64MB. To make a long story short: there is no chance running linux+gui+(real)browser, real browser nowadays means Javascript, that is you have to use opera/firefox/... and X which is just tooo slooow. No xynth,nanox coz no app support. Finally I settled on NT4 with IE6+tabextension, hey and you even get Acrobat7 for a 20 year old OS, ...what a pity ;)
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Plenty of power, if...
Written by Rick on 2006-05-20 09:38:11
I've installed and run XP on machines with PIII 350 megahertz chips, with 128 MB of RAM, and had them run acceptably. If you choose to turn off all visual effects in XP and you're not looking to run processor-heavy applications, XP can be functional at pretty low specs.

It's not pretty, but it'll certainly work for web browsing, email, etc.

That said, I'd rather install Linux if that's all I'm going to do on older hardware. I totally understand the Wife Factor and the need to work with XP, though!
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Gentoo in 2 Gig?
Written by Will on 2006-05-20 10:23:03
How on earth are you able to maintain a gentoo intall in only 2 Gig? That isn't even enough space to build glibc. Did you set up some kind of remote storage for all of your source downloads and temporaray build space?
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Debian
Written by Barney on 2006-05-20 10:36:10
I think you will also like Debian testing since it allows you to do a minimal install and apt-get the rest.
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try coLinux or Cygwin?
Written by mike on 2006-05-20 10:56:15
I don't know if they would have been able to handle your specific development needs, but you might also want to check out coLinux (www.colinux.org), which can host linux as a system process alongside Windows and provides excellent performance (and supports Gentoo), and/or Cygwin/MinGW, which provides an X server and many other standard GNU tools. These would enable you to avoid repartitioning and avoid rebooting into another operating system.
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pleeease!
Written by Armona on 2006-05-20 12:43:46
You say you abandoned Suse because it wasnt LSB... And you go with Gentoo?
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Gentoo easily fits in 2Gig
Written by D. Travis North on 2006-05-20 17:03:57
For the purpose of my tests, I didn't use any remote storage. As I'm sure you probably figured out, Gentoo takes up a lot of space for the portage tree and the compilation space. But after I finished my entire system and got everything set up exactly the way I wanted, My complete install was roughly 1.6gig. And I didn't delete any of the temporary files created by portage. But through some creative use of the USE flags, one can create a really compact setup with Gentoo.

Now, I realize that having 80% of my hard drive space is not ideal for daily use. I'd like more free space. Of course, now that I have everything installed, I'm researching how to set up the portage tree on a network drive. Not knowing full well how portage works, I want to be careful. But if I can make that work, it will cut nearly a GIG.
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"Creative use of flags..."
Written by James Scholes on 2007-09-25 05:30:27
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For the purpose of my tests, I didn't use any remote storage. As I'm sure you probably figured out, Gentoo takes up a lot of space for the portage tree and the compilation space. But after I finished my entire system and got everything set up exactly the way I wanted, My complete install was roughly 1.6gig. And I didn't delete any of the temporary files created by portage. But through some creative use of the USE flags, one can create a really compact setup with Gentoo.





I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with some of the other comments on here: your test isn't fair in the least.

As you've stated, you're already used to Gentoo, and using that knowledge you've managed to shoehorn it onto the laptop.

When I was looking for a viable distro to use, I found out that the best for me was to install the ubuntu server distro (an option from the alternative install CD), then use aptitude to get X, Gnome (WM of choice, but I'm sure KDE would work too), Firefox, AmaroK, OpenOffice.org plus a few others.

This was a P3 600MHz laptop with 256MB RAM and a 6GB harddisc. I'm sure if you stripped gnome out of the above list it would be less than 2GB, as mine ran to less than 3 and I had all the Gnome and KDE libs in there.

If you were willing to get creative with Gentoo, you should have shown the same level of commitment to the other distributions.
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Didn't read what I said...
Written by D. Travis North on 2006-05-20 17:07:18
SUSE is LSB compliant now. 8 years ago, I abandoned it because it didn't seem to be organized in a way that aligned with the average Unix/Linux system at the time. I was using SCO at work, and SUSE didn't seem to be very similar at all.

NOW, SUSE makes a lot of sense. It's made leaps and bounds, and I'm very happy with it.

As for Gentoo, it has its quirks, but they are justified, in my opinion.
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KDE was part of the challenge
Written by D. Travis North on 2006-05-20 17:17:47
I realize full well that KDE isn't what one would call a lightweight desktop. Trust me, I know. I used to be an afterstep user which at the time was a pain to configure...but it was about 1/10 the size of KDE or GNOME. But I've grown used to KDE.

Besides...I have an underlying plan to convince my wife that she likes LInux.
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I will try Zenwalk
Written by D. Travis North on 2006-05-20 17:21:34
Several people, in response to my article, have recommended Zenwalk. None of my friends had used it and I honestly never gave it any thought. But it sounds interesting, and I'll definately try it out down the line.

I think that this article will have a reprise down the line.
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Slax distribution
Written by syner on 2006-05-20 19:09:22
Try www.slax.org
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wrong title, wrong distros, wrong articl
Written by RAM on 2006-05-21 02:34:52
I have old hardware too, and I wouldn't think of the same software the author reviewed. He is full of wrong assumptions or did not research carefully enough:

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The LiveCD distributions were not considered at all. While it may seem appealing to have an installation that doesn't impact my hard drive, these distributions often run much too slow for my laptop.





DSL anyone? Slax? Puppy? A lot of commenters have pointed out those 3, I can add BeatrIX/BeaFanatIX to the count: all of them tiny and shiny live-cds intented for old hardware. Of the installing crowd zenwalk, yoper, arch... For experienced users who know what to left out during installation: debian.

And the "intended functionality" and scarce storage space? KDE, Fx, T-bird, GIMP? Obviously ironic... There are some free alternatives tod the GIMP that are light, although w/o all the functionality. DSL have a great patched version of Dillo for browsing most of the web. It also comes with sylpheed claws for mail, etc. There are a lot of possibilities when you are looking for software/distros intended for old hardware, but they are not KDE, GIMP or Mozilla based... This, or the title was indeed ill chosen.
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Missing Distros?
Written by Bloke on 2006-05-21 09:36:14
Although I'm repeating what others have said. Where is Debian and Slackware??
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Distro for older laptop
Written by George Nielsen on 2006-05-21 09:37:48
I would give Slackware a try and use XFce4 as your window manager. XFce4 has good functionality and runs lighter than KDE. You will be able to run all of the apps on your list with XFce4.
Slackware would be my choice.
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educator
Written by blackdog on 2006-05-21 12:28:02
An old programming book once adviced the readers to take a step back and look at the situation again from a wider perspective.

In your case you want to run all your linux applications and do it from your wife's laptop. ...and she doesn't want you to mess with her laptop much.

So... You ask for a small distribution to dual-boot on the laptop. But maybe you should "zoom out" a bit more to see more possible solutions.

OK... This is how I would solve the situation:

Install and configure a freeNX terminal server system on your server. Then install NoMachine's NX client (for windows) on the laptop and use it to connect to your server.

There you have it. Your very own favourite desktop, fully mobile and with a minimum of modifications to her machine.

Sorry for cheating.
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ubuntu too hard?
Written by shane on 2006-05-21 13:26:22
well lets see here i have run ubuntu on everything from a 300mhz pentium II mmx with 300mb pc 133 ram....and a 10 gig hard drive upto my current computer which is an amd xp 2800+ and never had any issues...i think you gave it an unfair chance my freind...and as for documentation there is tons of it everywhere O_o www.ubuntu.com is one place to start....it has alot of good documentation for both ubuntu and kubuntu.

also there is xchat as well that connects to freenode.net all you have to do is open it up and connect and you are in the ubuntu help room.
if anything you should rate your knowledge of linux a 3 and this distro a 10.
even more so if a moron like me can use it.
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(k)Ubuntu
Written by Chanchao on 2006-05-21 23:00:17
Kubuntu and Ubuntu require more space than the partition you gave it. As for documentation, the Ubuntu documentation is really good. Kubuntu is a repackaging of Ubuntu with KDE as defauld and is in no way small. If you really want to use KDE even on old hardware, then it's probably best to start with an Ubuntu Server install (bare-bones) and then ONLY add the kde-desktop to it. (Or just those KDE packages you actually want to use.)

Also Firefox as a web browser isn't the smallest ever, but I can see why you'd want to use it obviously.

Actually your laptop isn't THAT old... Mine is a Pentium 3 with 20 Gb disk, I also dual boot windows. Ubuntu runs absolutey stellar on it. If I only had a 10 Gb disk then I'd either run Windows VERY minimally (Windows 2000 I guess), not run Windows at all, or pick up a cheapo second hand 20 Gb disk to replace the 10Gb one. :)
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Xubuntu !
Written by Kjell on 2006-05-22 01:43:00
You can always try Xubuntu, i run Kubuntu on an old Compaq PII laptop but it is rather slow to start. When i get the time i will try out Xubuntu instead.

Cheers Kjell
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Linux on old Laptops
Written by stuski on 2006-05-22 03:45:30
I just shipped an old Fuji 850Mhz e series lifebook out to my son that dual boots XP and Simply MEPIS (although it has 256MB ram and a 40G HDD). It works great, even with the no-name wireless PCMCIA card. With that as an inspiration, I have decided to refurb old laptops, and preload them with Linux (as a hobby, mostly) for anyone interested in getting one. I have found the following distros quite good:
Vector SOHO 5.1.1 (has KDE and Bluefish)
Damn Small Linux (of course!)
Simply Mepis 6.0 (PIII or better)
Puppy
Xubuntu
...and I'm still playing with more, most of which have already been mentioned here.
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"Kubuntu / Ubuntu"? What a lie!
Written by David Kastrup on 2006-05-22 08:41:54
You did not test Ubuntu at all. Since Ubuntu is quite better integrated and takes fewer resources, it is utterly unfair to list it in the headline when you have not actually seen it, just because people told you it would have been a good idea to actually look at it.

If what you tested is Kubuntu, then it is dishonest to state anything different in your headlines and summary.
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xubuntu
Written by towner on 2006-05-22 13:43:31
I can recommend Xubuntu.

I've got a Celeron 400Mhz, 256 MB ram and a 5 GB hard drive. I installed dapper as a server install, it picked up my pcmcia xircom card, no problems, and apt-get xubuntu-desktop...This baby flies. I've got no intention to upgrade my laptop. It has given it a new lease of life and saved me quids....
I dont slow it down with open office either, Abiword goes like stink!
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Gentoo?
Written by Markus on 2006-05-22 15:01:12
Rating gentoo so much higher then the rest is weird to me! Maybe starters with the same problem read it and then try gentoo. Trust me they will NEVER ever try linux again! Gentoo is for freaks and not for users that like everything easygoing! I am using linux since quite a while and studied information technology and cannot at all recommend that distribution. I got it running but needed 2 weeks to do so!
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Is Gentoo for freaks?
Written by Alejandro Nova on 2007-04-25 07:53:03
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Rating gentoo so much higher then the rest is weird to me! Maybe starters with the same problem read it and then try gentoo. Trust me they will NEVER ever try linux again! Gentoo is for freaks and not for users that like everything easygoing! I am using linux since quite a while and studied information technology and cannot at all recommend that distribution. I got it running but needed 2 weeks to do so!





Is Gentoo for freaks? Because I am a law student, I'm no IT engineer, and I used Gentoo for 3 years. Yes, it takes 3 days or 2 weeks to get it up and running, but, believe me, you will never have to repeat that process, ever. And, in case if you didn't notice it, Gentoo will be used in a LAPTOP. That means: you can compile your dear packages in distcc with your beloved Core Duo (taking 6 hours instead of 2 weeks), and install BINARY packages in your P III laptop with Portage. Optimized and stripped of all the features you don't want.

I also join to the Arch crowd. You must try Arch in that laptop ;)
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ret.
Written by irlandes on 2006-05-22 21:53:12
This may be a minor point, but Fedora is NOT based on Redhat. Fedora is sponsored by Redhat as a development community for Redhat, period. Fedora is changing fast, Redhat is the well tested stable result of the development process, and it is not free. Redhat keeps saying thus, but most folks don't pay attention. Redhat "Clones" are available under other names. e.g. - CentOs which is free for download, but is not supported by Redhat and it is prohibited to call it Redhat.
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reiserfs on laptop
Written by Alex Klymov on 2006-05-24 14:51:38
...might be not the best choice gentoo or not. Some post on gentoo forum into doing small research on speed/cpu consumption of various filesystems and JFS seem to be definitely a choice for laptop - had to convert my laptop to jfs and it does take less CPU... not to mention mount/unmount time.
As of OS selection - I'm big fan of gentoo as of late. Still have to run 115+ redhat servers as job requirement though. Before my personal choice was Slackware but now this distro is lagging in implementing a lot of useful improvements (PAM/2.6 kernel, grub...) the list is getting longer and longer...
There is an option for Gentoo - if you don't have enough resourses to compile the package you can set BINHOST variable in your /etc/make.conf and download precompiled package for your architecture...
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Wrong title - Key is light weight deskto
Written by Emmanuel_uk on 2006-05-26 02:12:51
A misleading title.
I run PII 300 MHz with mandriva 2006, no problem at all. The key is a lightweight desktop.

Max the ram if you can.
Do not forget to check hdparm on old laptop.

That is all there is to it
If the HD is "really small", under 800Mo/1 Go, then you enter a restrive no of distro, but you are left with DSL, puppy and the like
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Disk space gentoo kde
Written by Evald Sjöberg on 2006-05-26 06:36:33
I want to use only kde programs for workstations. What USE settings should I use? Can you or anyone reveal that?
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USE flags
Written by Alejandro Nova on 2007-04-25 08:00:00
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I want to use only kde programs for workstations. What USE settings should I use? Can you or anyone reveal that?





USE="kde qt3 qt4 -gnome"

If you are overkill with "KDE only", USE="-gtk", but use with extreme caution.
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USE flags
Written by Alejandro Nova on 2007-04-25 08:01:53
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I want to use only kde programs for workstations. What USE settings should I use? Can you or anyone reveal that?





USE="kde qt3 qt4 -gnome"

If you are overkill with "KDE only", USE="-gtk", but use with extreme caution.
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Prism2 chipsets have native support!
Written by jabby on 2006-05-27 07:09:41
You state multiple times that the Prism2 chipset isn't autodetected and that it requires proprietary firmware. Either this is some new version of the chipset or you don't have your facts straight. The Prism2 chipset from Intersil was one of the first chipsets to come with full specifications, allowing for native drivers to be written under *BSD and Linux. I have a USB network dongle with a Prism2. It "just works(TM)" in Linux.

Not being detected on install does not necessarily mean that it's not supported. It just means that it has to be configured after installation. In my case, it did take some searching to find the magical combination of commands, but I just put them in a script and it's ready to go. It uses the wlanctl-ng interface. To get the hardware detected, you should be able to run this:

modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1

Enjoy!
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I'm sorry, but...
Written by Tetsuo on 2006-05-29 03:15:16
... just because he didn't like your personal preference of distro doesn't make him an idiot. Goddamned Linux zealots are almost as bad as Mac zealots. I mean, I like Linux, but this is not a religion thing - it's not a matter of Ultimate Truth.
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Zenwalk on picturebook
Written by Ed Taylor on 2006-06-11 09:35:48
Hey Phil,

How did you install Zenwalk? It doesn't recognize the PCMCIA cd-rom and I don't have a windows partition to place the iso image on? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
So far, I've only been able to get FC4 on it and it's achingly slow (even without Gnome or KDE)!

Thanks,

Ed
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I recommend Ubuntu
Written by Ubuntu on 2007-09-10 19:20:33
Hi Ed,

Just was reading posts...
Next time you could try Ubuntu. Once you have installation cd, just put it in and try without installing.
If you liked it, you can install it very easily - provided it shouldnt be dual-boot with Windows. Dual boot was reported to be easy to do, but I haven't done it, so dont know.
Just try it - it is very stable and easy-to-use, yet professional.
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ubuntu
Written by dr.salahuddin on 2007-10-15 14:39:58
i tried ubuntu on my celeron1.1 machine with 128 ram . i cannot even start the os, after wasting a long time the screen goes black .any idea how i can install.
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Late, I know, but if you look again look
Written by joe f. on 2006-06-15 09:42:32
Kanotix Lite. Just installed it on an off-brand laptop with a Via C3 processor and 128 MB of RAM. It has KDE and IceWM and a bunch of Kanotix goodness. You end up with a nice Debian install.

I personally have Zenwalk on my laptop (a centrino that spends most of its time running at 600Mhz) and it's nice. They have the KDE packages available for download, too.

Another choice is STX Linux. It uses the EDE desktop, but it's Slackware-based, so you should be able to just use slapt-get to install KDE.

I know this is an old discussion, but people might get here via a search, as I did, and I thought I'd add my $.02. I just installed Linux on a 300 Mhz K6-II and that Via C3, so I just did something very similar to what you did, but ended up at a different place.
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I recommend Zenwalk
Written by tritran@yandex.ru on 2006-07-27 07:31:30
I am in the same situation: my wife have a Fujitsu Laptop, Celeron 600, 192MB RAM, 16G HDD, and I have spent a lot of time to find a good distro for her.

RedHat 9: works but the printing not good (old drivers)

Debian Sarge: same as Red Hat 9.

Xubuntu: Great but slow.

Zenwalk: Perfect -- very fast and works well.

My choice is Zenwalk. I use Xfce, but you can download in install KDE. Mplayer, OpenOffice 2.0.3 (latest version), XMMS, all works. Zenwalk is considerably faster than other and take quite few of RAM. I notice that in most case, it only use 2 or 4 MB on swap -- namely it run all in RAM.
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Xubuntu: my first linux experience
Written by Juan Carlos Lopez on 2006-07-27 08:47:53
3 days ago I got a Notebook HP n3410 K6-2+ 550 mhz “3D-now” 64mb ram (8mb r used for the video card) 5GB HD max res: 800×600. It is in very good condition. It has (or i may say “had”) Windows ME. After a lot of online research i decided to download and install xubuntu 6.0.

The installation is as easier as any windows os. actually, a little bit better (not as faster, though) It also detected and install my 108 Mbps Wireless PC Card Model WG511T.

I did notice that my pc was faster when I was using the oem windows me. But, i have read so good comments about that xubuntu that I just order new memory (256mb) for my laptop (i can wait to receive that memory). I only want to use this pc as emergency pc or just to go to my local starbucks to check my email.

I wonder where can i get some applications for my laptop; applications that allow me to maximize the battery life and also to make the hibernation process as smooth as my girlfriend’s mac laptop.
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slanted?
Written by Joe Snow on 2006-07-29 18:42:27
The article reads well, but, I can't help but constantly feel a bias toward Gentoo the entire time. From the get-go I could predict which distro he would pick because he's sticking to what he knows how to operate best, not what necessarily IS best per-say.

As someone in the comments pointed out, he totally skipped Slackware 10; minimalistic for an old laptop is going to require quite a bit of text-install, it shouldn't be "intimidating", it's straight forward.

His analysis of Redhat's product just shows that he's not familiar with it, and didn't take the time to actually discover how to make it work the way he needs, which is not complicated and doesn't require documentation to figure out.

Also, the whole point being a shot at minimalistic on old hardware is contradicted when choosing a heavyweight like KDE. He should have tried a minimalistic (but still very functional and powerful) WM, there are plenty.

I don't disagree with his choice, but, I also don't disagree with his method of presenting it. If you're going to be fair-minded and conduct a "study" then you need to proof-read for the obvious bias, in this case toward Gentoo. I like Gentoo, and I agree w/ the decision, but feel that the other distros really never stood a chance and were there purely for the purpose of being thorough in his report. Based on the first time he mentions Gentoo, I already knew the answer, simply on how he mentions it, which I should not be able to do in a well-written article, or an unbais study.
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gotta try it
Written by acoustic.net on 2006-08-03 00:04:20
I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to much that is linux. I have tried ubuntu on an old p2 400mhz w/96 megs of ram and it installed flawlessly in about 15 minutes, had support for my network card that caused win 98 to crash, ran fast, and works very well. I tried gentoo 2005 on a newer machine and after 6 weeks of trying to get it installed (about an hour a day) i finally realized that I was trying to install the 2006 packages (livecd) so i download the 2006 disk and i can't get it up and running. Suse is also a very good distro and has some cool features (pinkus anyone?) and i even managed to install slackware (but couldn't do too much). Anyway, the whole point i'm trying to make is that (x)ubuntu is a wonderful install compared to some and gentoo is never going to be on my list of options ever again (i've had enough of dealing with portage in the command line. synaptic is way easier to use). But like i've said, i'm not too prone to linux and maybe i shouldn't have tried gentoo as my second install.
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n00b on the loose
Written by impromptu user on 2006-10-13 14:33:24
I was given an older laptop not too long ago by a friend and he had Win XP installed on it. It was slow and cumbersome. I'm a total n00b with linux and I would like to know what you guys would install on a PII 350 / 4 gb hd / 128 mem Gateway that is lightweight /has a gui / compiler / office software to be used for school type applications.
ubuntu? fedora? suse? ??

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Zenwalk?
Written by Prashant on 2006-11-14 19:04:41
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what you guys would install on a PII 350 / 4 gb hd / 128 mem Gateway that is lightweight /has a gui / compiler / office software to be used for school type applications.
ubuntu? fedora? suse? ??






I'd love an answer to that question too. I'm a noob trying to install Linux on a similar laptop, a PIII 600MHz with 128 MB RAM, and I've tried Xubuntu, Vector, Knoppix and SUSE 10.1 until now. Of them all, Knoppix seemed the snappiest (speed-wise) and I just loved the SUSE installation process.

I think Zenwalk 3.0 might be a good choice. Any tips or advice from experts? Thanks.
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Zenwalk?
Written by Prashant on 2006-11-14 19:04:56
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what you guys would install on a PII 350 / 4 gb hd / 128 mem Gateway that is lightweight /has a gui / compiler / office software to be used for school type applications.
ubuntu? fedora? suse? ??






I'd love an answer to that question too. I'm a noob trying to install Linux on a similar laptop, a PIII 600MHz with 128 MB RAM, and I've tried Xubuntu, Vector, Knoppix and SUSE 10.1 until now. Of them all, Knoppix seemed the snappiest (speed-wise) and I just loved the SUSE installation process.

I think Zenwalk 3.0 might be a good choice. Any tips or advice from experts? Thanks.
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P2 400
Written by bj0rn on 2006-10-24 15:44:36
I Run a stripped down version of XP on a Old Armada with 400mhz, 256ram, 20gb HDD, it runs fine! just use nLite and get rid of the crap!

merry xmas anf a happy newyear! ... O_o
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Amazing
Written by Felipe Alvarez on 2006-10-25 02:19:37
I loved reading every word. Very good article. Good for the beginner and the experienced user. Great for people new to computers or new to linux. Good discussion about something common to nearly ALL computer users -- OS support for old hardware. HardDrive space is always an issue. Very critical, precise, and utterly important topics discussed here. Thank you! Thank you!
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Mandriva on old Laptop....
Written by Ikey on 2006-11-08 22:23:30
Just wanted to say that I have been running Mandriva 2006 dual with Win XP on a Thinkpad 600E; PII 400MHZ, 288MB RAM, 10GB HDD.... and the thing works great..:) To everybody supporting Linux.... I am on your side... not too much of a MS person myself... hoping to change 100% to Linux, I love it!!
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