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08-31-2006
bigfilsing

Pretty new to Linux

Hi,
Just installed Suze 9.3 on a P4 based computer and very pleased so far. Can't believe this is free after all these years of paying thru the nose.
Anyway one of my goals is to edit video. I've follwed a few tutorials of how to install rpm files with YAST and i'm damned if i can get it to work!!!
I've installed XVNC ( to prove the Yast process was working OK)
When i try to get Yast to install the Cinelerra package it gives me " reading package" OK and then i test the "dependancies" and thats fine too but i don;t see the package in the Yast window. When i click "accept" it just bounces back to the desk top.

A few pointers on what to check would be much appreciated.

OH i'm pretty sure i'm down loading the correct rpm. I've got Version 2.0 of cinelerra for i586.

Help:D
08-31-2006
eraker

I think you are right-clicking on an rpm that you have downloaded, probably, to produce this effect? I actually had the same problem using Yast, but I never got it sorted out because I migrated to SuSE 10.1, a distro I've found to be really great and easy to use for new linux users, shortly afterward.

Still, you might try installing the rpm from the command line. Simply open up xterm and find the rpm you want and enter the command "rpm -i nameofrpm.rpm".
09-01-2006
bigfilsing

Thanks for the reply .
Ok when i try the install from the console i get
error: Failed dependencies:
mjpegtools >= 1.6.3 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
liba52.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libfaac.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libfaad.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libfftw3.so.3 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libiec61883.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libmjpegutils-1.8.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libmp3lame.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libmp4v2.so.0 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libtheora.so.0(libtheora.so.1.0) is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601
libx264.so.45 is needed by cinelerra-2.0.CV.svn.cobra-20060601

Which explains why it isn't installing then. Strange that Yast didn;t report these dependancies!!!
SO i guess i have to search and install all the above bit by bit?? ( sorry if this is a stupid question ...i'm a newbie to Linux)

Ah well here goes even thou i thought RPM was to avoid this kinda thing.

Cheers
09-01-2006
eraker

You're totally right about it not installing because of failed dependencies. It used to be that you had to go and find all of those packages and install them in order to get an rpm to work like that, but newer packager managers are supposed to sort that stuff out for you. It's just that Yast is particularly bad at this.

I don't know how much of a hassle this might be for you, but I had trouble with managing packages (somewhat) in SuSE 9.3, and I've found a lot of stuff to be pretty painless after a migration to SuSE 10.1, with one exception: Yast is worse (seriously) in 10.1 than it is in 9.3. You might considering installing the newer version of SuSE (10.1), and for package management you might consider going with Smart Package Manager.

I know you just installed SuSE 9.3 and the last thing you wnat to do probably is install a new OS, but it may also be to your advantage. Also, you may be able to install a better package manager (like smart or apt or something) on SuSE 9.3.
09-02-2006
bigfilsing

Thanks for the reply.
I don;t mind installing a new OS at all. Although messing around with 9.3 and it's short falls is giving me some insight into Linux. :)

There's loads of reports about 10.1 having issues ( on this forum) and even guides "how to". I think i'm going to go with SMART as everybody seems to recommend it.
Question is at what stage do i install smart? Do i just load the OS and then install smart?
Do i dump Yast ...... can i dump yast??

Cheers
09-02-2006
eraker

I used SuSE 9.3 for a year; it was my introduction to linux and I totally loved it. It took me probably six months to get Mplayer installed (of course, I wasn't trying very often because I was slowly learning about package management, and dependencies, etc.), but I never did get DVD playback enabled. Just this summer I decided to upgrade to SuSE 10.1 and I immediately realized that I didn't want to use Yast anymore, so I switched to Smart. Right away I realized that 10.1 is much more complete than 9.3 ever was for me: I really only had to read the Jem Report's Hacking Suse (linked below) to get everything set up the way I wanted.

I guess if you were going to totally get rid of Yast, then you probably don't have much reason to use SuSE anymore, but I still think that SuSE is a pretty good distro for beginners (well, it was for me, anyway), and I have really had very few problems with SuSE 10.1. Still, I'm not sure if I've had no problems because I already knew what the issues would be. At any rate, you asked:

Quote:

Question is at what stage do i install smart? Do i just load the OS and then install smart?

If you end up installing SuSE 10.1, you just install the OS and then you can install Smart early after that. Someone posted what appears to be a pretty good summary of the major issues related to installing SuSE 10.1 in another thread in the SuSE section. The Jem Report's "Hacking Suse 10.1" is a pretty often-sited and well-used resource for getting SuSE 10.1 to work the way you want it to; it's what I used.

Hope that helps.
09-02-2006
bigtomrodney

I can second the use of smart, it really is excellent. There are many packages available. It is possible to add additional mirrors in YaST for net installs but smart comes preconfigured and adds additional repositories with its updates. It also loads a lot quicker than YaST Software Management which is probably the biggest advantage.
09-02-2006
eraker

That's true. I find that even in SuSE 10.1 on a pretty quick machine Yast is unbearably slow.
09-03-2006
bigfilsing

So now i've tried to install smart.
I,ve got Suse 10.1 installed and working fine.

I'm trying to follow the tutorial at http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=...ackage_Manager

and get the following

linux-l58c:/home/BP # smart update
Loading cache...
Updating cache... ######################################## [100%]

Fetching information for 'SUSE 10.1 Add-On Repository with non OpenSource Packag
es'...
-> http://download.opensuse.org/distrib...10.1/.../media
media [ 0%]
error: Failed acquiring information for 'SUSE 10.1 Add-On Repository with non Op
enSource Packages':
error: http://download.opensuse.org/distrib...nst-source/med
ia.1/media: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')

Fetching information for 'Guru 3rd party package repository'...
-> http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/su.../media.1/media
media [ 12%]
error: Failed acquiring information for 'Guru 3rd party package repository':
error: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/su...media.1/media: (104
, 'Connection reset by peer')

Fetching information for 'Latest mozilla.org packages'...
-> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozi...ata/repomd.xml
repomd.xml ######################################## [ 28%]

Fetching information for 'Latest KDE packages'...
-> http://software.opensuse.org/downloa....../repomd.xml
repomd.xml [ 32%]
error: Failed acquiring release file for 'Latest KDE packages':
error: http://software.opensuse.org/downloa...x_10.1/repodat
a/repomd.xml: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')

Fetching information for 'Packman 3rd Party Package Repository'...
-> http://packman.inode.at/suse/10.1/media.1/media
media [ 40%]
error: Failed acquiring information for 'Packman 3rd Party Package Repository':
error: http://packman.inode.at/suse/10.1/media.1/media: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')

Fetching information for 'SUSE Linux Online Updates'...
-> ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/1...ata/repomd.xml
repomd.xml ######################################## [ 56%]

Fetching information for 'SUSE 10.1 OpenSource Repository'...
-> http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../media.1/media
media [ 60%]
error: Failed acquiring information for 'SUSE 10.1 OpenSource Repository':
error: http://download.opensuse.org/distrib...ce/media.1/med ia: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')

Updating cache... ######################################## [100%]

Channels have no new packages.

Very frustrating :)