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I only dated Archbang for a week before I got a date with Arch Linux, and during that time I never met their brother. At first my date with Arch Linux went great - installation and configuration went smoothly. Until I met her brother, or more like I was supposed to meet her brother, but he never showed up.
I don't know if Mr. Pacman was jealous or what, but he did not seem to like me at all. When installing Arch Linux, I had to pick a Local Host. The wiki said that just meant to name your computer, so I named it zachary. I also put zachary into the other place it goes later on, I forget what it was called but something like etc/config. or something (it was the place where the wiki said I would need to put the Local Host again). Later on, when I tried to check that I configured the computer correctly, it refused to ping to google. So, like the instructions said, I went back to check my config to make sure I did it right. I am not sure about everything, but I did not see anything that looked wrong. I tried again - still failed. Then I tried pinging to zachary. Well, after that, the computer began downloading something 64 kb at a time. I let it go on for about 250 lines, but I did not see anything in the instructions that said I should let it do this so I aborted the action. Every time I tried to use pacman I got an error message. Do I need to be connected online to do this? I was using an installation cd that I got from eBay to install Archlinux. I do not know if the computer was connected to the internet (wireless) during this time.
I did not get a command terminal (like I thought I saw on youtube). Instead it was just a black screen with white type. I tried for about 2 hours with no luck. No matter what I tried, it seemed to fail to download the packages - and I was unable to get xorg to get a GUI. So I said bye to Arch Linux.
I reinstalled ArchBang without any glitches. It has a GUI that I can use easily, but I am having problems with ArchBang too. For one, I havent been able to get pacman to work on that either! Another problem I have with ArchBang, is that when I put a Cd in the computer, I can not find the cd anywhere on Archbang! There does not seem to be any "My Computer" and the CD does not appear on the desktop. I searched all the files to no avail. Then I manually went through the files - still no luck. I tried rebooting the computer - nope. I should probably mention that this was not the Arch Linux installation cd. It was actually a tutorial CD that came with the Arch Linux CD that I hoped could help me with pacman.
One last thing, if you are still reading my jibberish, is it really even worth it for me to install Arch Linux i.e. is it in any way really better than ArchBang. I know Arch Linux is more configurable than ArchBang and I have heard Archbang referred to as a "bloated Arch Linux", but is there any way that Arch Linux is actually really superior to ArchBang. That is a vague question, and I know there is no real answer whether one distro is better than another (matter of need/preference) so let me rephrase the question: What can you do with Arch Linux that you can't do with Archbang, and why do people choose Arch Linux rather than ArchBang?
Right now I have a cd with arch linux on it and a usb with archbang on it so I can use either one. However, if Arch Linux is not really any better than ArchBang, then there is no sense in going through the trouble of trying to install Arch Linux again. Regardless, I still need to figure out how to use pacman.
Thanks in advance for any help. I know there is a lot here, and I may have been ambiguous in places so let me know if you need clarification of anything. Thanks again.
Your hostname can be zachary, that's fine. You would put this in /etc/rc.conf under HOSTNAME
#<ip-address> <hostname.domain.org> <hostname> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost zachary
su - pacman -U /path/to/local/package.tar.xz
Generally, you'll point to a mirror list file for specific download mirrors, ie
[core] Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist [extra] Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
Server = ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
Architecture = x86_64
There is info on the Mirrors Wiki for how to find the fastest, most current mirrors for use.
You do not need the internet to install Arch if you're using the core installation CD. If you're using the net install image, you do need internet. Of course, after install, you'll have a hard time installing a GUI and other software without an internet connection.
I haven't used ArchBang, but my understanding is that it's just Arch with a pre-configured openbox installation. I doubt it's intrinsically better or worse than straight Arch, other than many Archer's are purists and disdain allowing someone else to configure your system for you. (Doing so is somewhat against the whole purpose and DIY philosophy of Arch.) But that's totally a personal decision and if you're happy with having it all ready out of the box, go for it.
The CD mounting issue depends on a couple of things that I don't know about ArchBang. Which file manager does it use, for one? I would guess it's using pcmanfm or thunar, both of which should have an icon appear in the file manager when you insert any sort of removable media, cd, flash drive, etc. Is that not happening?
If I remember correctly, I think those are the codes I used. I am pretty sure that my probably has been that I have not been connected to the internet. How do you connect when there is nothing but a black screen in front of you? Is that what the "pinging" is? Then I guess you can test to make sure you are connected by the ping google test? (BTW I am using wireless for this).
I think Archbang is using thunar, but I can't remember for sure - I will have to check when I get home. I think I saw thunar, but did not know it was the file manager. I was looking through the home directory when I was looking cd, I guess I will try thunar tonight.
I know Arch has the DIY philosophy, and I saw the DIY part when I had to go through all the "lines" when I was installing the software. I guess I will have to do more research before I decide. If Arch Linux is fater, more powerful, or more manageable than ArchBang, then I will probably go ahead and install it. However, like I said, if it ends up that Arch Linux ends up being pretty much the same as ArchBang, then I probably won't switch.
By the way, thank you in particular, reed9, for your detailed and clear answers. I know it is not neccessarily easy to write such easy to understand explanations and I really appreciate it. =)
Pinging is just an way to see if you're getting through to another machine. If there is no connection to the other machine, the ping will fail
[reed@Arch-Desktop ~]$ ping -c4 moose.com PING moose.com (220.127.116.11) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 18.104.22.168: icmp_req=1 ttl=46 time=70.9 ms 64 bytes from 22.214.171.124: icmp_req=2 ttl=46 time=71.5 ms 64 bytes from 126.96.36.199: icmp_req=3 ttl=46 time=68.5 ms 64 bytes from 188.8.131.52: icmp_req=4 ttl=46 time=68.3 ms --- moose.com ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3003ms
In other words, an IP address for google.com is 184.108.40.206. If you were able to ping that address
ping -c4 220.127.116.11
ping -c4 google.com
There are quite a few options to get your internet connection going from the command line. If your wireless connection is not encrypted or encrypted using WEP, it can be as simple as doing
su - iwconfig wlan0 essid "MyNetwork" key s:passphrase dhcpcd wlan0
All of this assumes you have the appropriate drivers and firmware for your wireless card already. Drivers will mostly be included out of the box, but firmware often requires an extra download. (You'll also needed to have installed the wireless_tools package during installation.)
The Wireless Wiki is pretty thorough on all that, but post if you need help there. In that case, we'll want the output of
lspci -vnn | grep -a4 -i net lsmod
Also, it looks like ArchBang has wicd installed for network management. You can use that from the console with the command
Thanks - I think everything worked out ok. I think I have decided to stick with ArchBang, I figured out that you need to use "Disk Utility" to access CDs and USBs, and I was able to use pacman on ArchBang. Thanks!
Glad that's all worked out. I found on their release page, if you do want the file manager (not sure what "disk utility" is) to show removeable media, you need to install gvfs and make a small change to .xinitrc.
-Once you have installed ArchBang, if you want Thunar to detect all your partitions, install gvfs by typing in the terminal “packer -S gvfs” (thanks narical) and change the following line in ~/.xinitrc from:
“exec ck-launch-session openbox-session” to
“exec dbus-launch ck-launch-session openbox-session”