[Dapper Dan]

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

Well, thanks alot. I never tryed Slackware for the very simple reason that I never found the Download ISO in the mirrors -.-' (Shame)
I done like 'doesn't do dependency checking' that part. Since then I am struggling for a VERY long time sometimes.
Further more Slack looks Rather intresting. What about Slack with Emerge? Will that work? (Emerge is a Package on its own made by the Gentoo users)

Hi RobinVossen. Slackware WILL tell you what dependencies are needed, it just doesn't solve them for you. But honestly, it isn't that difficult to do. Most packages will tell you what is needed so you just install them and then the main package. If you don't have the patience for that, another option is slapt-get. Although the repositories are not rife with packages like Debian, it will still do dependency solving. I ran it in Slackware 10 through 10.2 and it worked pretty well. Slackware is a great distro, will teach you much and is rock solid when configured properly.

[RobinVossen]

Thanks all
I think Ill give Slackware a try..
If it tells me what Packages I need. And can fetch them for me if I give him the task to do so I can life with that.
I HATE yum of centos since it doesnt have good Dependency's standard. So I had to search every package of rpmphoone or something like that.
And then the RPM was broken or half working... (Whhaa!)
I think I might like slackware since I heard you can make your own binary packages very easy? So, I can compile my own software. BUT put them in the Package manager?

Well I can find the Slackware website. Thats no problem.
But what version of Slack should I get?
Ive heard 12 and 10.. But I also heard somebody say 7 once..
And, well as I said I did look for the ISO a couple of times. But I just cant find it *Full_of_Shame*

Thanks all..

If I dont like slack Ill go for Gentoo I guess.
Thanks

Cheers,
Robin

[Freston]

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

ps. I didnt get the Subliminal Msg...

It's never good to explain your attempt to make a joke, eve one about a subliminal message. I didn't want to make my recommendation of Slackware seem like I was evangelizing. I just singled out Slack as I thought it was a good enough fit for your purposes.

Now to your questions. Which Slack? If you want udev and HAL you should go with Slack 12. If you don't, I would go with Slack 11 and bake my own kernel. Slackware 11 has the 2.4.33.3 kernel. It's good enough in many roles, but obviously it doesn't support as much hardware. I wouldn't know how it treats a webcam, but I wouldn't have my hopes up.

perhaps you want to read up on what version here.

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

I think I might like slackware since I heard you can make your own binary packages very easy? So, I can compile my own software. BUT put them in the Package manager?

Yep. Just don't <make install> but <makepkg --options packagename.tgz ; installpkg packagename.tgz> done. The pkgtool chain is pretty darn powerful. It's ncurses based, and that is advanced graphics... slack style

I don't know why you can't find a mirror... it's right here. You can also torrent. I would go for the DVD version, unless you are very sure about which packages you do and don't want. At first it's better to take the full install. You can always change that later.
It used to bother me that the full install was so big. But I have two partitions that I run OS's from, and they are both 10GB. No matter how small the footprint of the distro, I don't get any more space on my /home partition. So it doesn't really matter to me anymore, as long as it fits in 10GB.

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

Further more Slack looks Rather intresting. What about Slack with Emerge? Will that work? (Emerge is a Package on its own made by the Gentoo users)

I have no idea. It depends I guess on the exact mechanism of <emerge>. There are some things in Slack that work differently than in other distro's. Remember it's the oldest distro still in development. Choices made by Red Hat or Debian don't necessarily have found their way into Slackware. On the whole Slack is more Unix-like. You can see this for example in the boot-mechanism. More... (Dutch) And more... (English again), and more still

[RobinVossen]

Thanks a lot Freston!
I was able to find a mirror. but not the ISO in the mirror Ill try it out as soon as I get home and we are done with Sinterklaas (Dutch Version of SantaClaus, Sinterklaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) I like ncurses alot so I might also like the ToolChain..

Thanks for the extra links in the end. THANKS alot fo the Dutch link. I didnt think ANYone would ever parse a Dutch Link to me on forums (except other dutch people ofc)

Thank you.

[Freston]

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

I was able to find a mirror. but not the ISO in the mirror

Oh! Right! I see what you mean now. Ah well, the friendly people of the university of Dresden (D) have an .iso for you ... and _very_ good upload as well

Originally Posted by RobinVossen

Thanks for the extra links in the end. THANKS alot fo the Dutch link. I didnt think ANYone would ever parse a Dutch Link to me on forums (except other dutch people ofc)

No trouble! What a good Slacker does is read. And I keep links to things I like. It's just a few clicks to put them here. I hope the mods don't mind non-English links occasionally.


Well, have a good time tonight with Sinterklaas, and if you have the chance give him some jenever.... tradition = tradition

[RobinVossen]

Ah, well thanks again

Thanks to all. I really hope that slackware is my soul-mate. Else I guess its Gentoo. or Maybe Arch..
But well Thanks to all!

And, Since when do we give Jenever to Sinterklaas? heh

[Dapper Dan]

I'd go with "12." Even though it's very easy to install the 2.6 kernel from the second install cd in 11, (Just follow the easy directions in the same directory), version 12 runs very well and 2.6 kernel is standard. Another package option for Slackware I've used successfully is CruxPorts4Slack. In fact, CruxPorts4Slack is what got me started on using Crux proper.

[RobinVossen]

Umm, I think Crux should change it name to Dapper Dan
Ill just look around in the Slackware world.
I could make a Twist of Emerge (Gentoo's Portage) since that does work really easy. Umm since if I can do that.. (or even use CruxPorts4Slack) Ill really like it.
Basicly I can setup a Slacktoo system within a hour or so
And I will be able to use Binary Packages. But I will also be able to use USE-Flags of Emerge..

Oohh! You made me well Exicted. now ^^
Thanks Dapper for this idea of CruxPorts4Slack. After reading that I got the idea for Slacktoo (or Genware) I aint going to release it as a distro. But I am going to work on a Slackware package of Emerge..

Thanks!

Cheers,
Robin

[Freston]

Hm.... I see Portage is written in Bash and Python. That makes it doable even in my book . The Ebuilds remind me of the Slackbuilds, it may be interesting to compare the two. And CruxPorts4Slack is pretty interesting to. I'll look into that.

[RobinVossen]

well emerge (Portage) or Gentoo is really holy. Since you can set the Compile flags yourself but you dont have to know what Flags it supports.
When you do "emerge -av apache" for example Ill see I can give it a SSL compile flag and a mysql compile flag. But also threads or documentation.
Emerge also has Dependency Checking WITH useflags.
So if ill do "emerge -av vnc" Ill get vnc vieuwer but If ill do "USE="server" emerge -av vnc"
it uses the server useflag so it Fetches the VNC server package for me aswell.
And the Portage Tree is HUGE!!
Really I enjoy Portage What I've heard/seen from Crux is that is has not a big enough Dependency. I have never heard of Slackbuilds.
But I really think I can merge emerge with slackware

Well, Ill just see..

Cheers,
Robin