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Old 05-16-2008   #21 (permalink)
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For those that want Arch and pacman, but also want to compile their own packages, they can always use makepkg and it can be used with cflags.
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I take issue with the common idea that only "newbies" like things to be automated and auto-configured. I consider myself a practical person, but I don't think by any stretch of the imagination could I be called a newbie (not that folks at OSNews and Slackware forums haven't tried once or twice). There's a difference between someone who likes automation because they don't know any better and someone who chooses automation because they value their time.
I didn't mean that only newbies want stuff automated. What I wanted to say was that the fact that I felt brave enough to go through the installation procedure of Arch, and the fact that I carried it off successfully, gives me a real confidence boost: it shows me how far I've come in Linux administration compared to the time when felt like abandoning Linux and going back to Windows because it all felt over my head (Yes, I admit that this thought really did cross my mind ). I was using Ubuntu back then, but I certainly don't believe that only newbies use Ubuntu - I know some very clued up Linux users who do so, and some of them are to be found right here on this forum!
For the record, I too am someone who likes things to be automated. With two kids, a full-time job and a passion for being outside, I simply don't have the time or the desire to sit behind a computer screen all day. However, I do like to know how things work - and that's one of the things I like about Arch: it gives you the opportunity to get your hands greasy, but on a day-to-day basis it is very easy to use.
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Ya know, after reading through this thread, and another by Dapper Dan on how to install Crux, I feel like giving one of them a go myself. Or maybe even both for that matter!

But something tells me I had better have an aspirin ready for when I take the plunge!

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Hrm, I think this thread actually pushed me over the edge to give Arch another try...

Specially because I just found out that the 64-bit version turns out to be in development (I tried it once, but dismissed it because of a cat fight between Arch and my harddisk). I think I'll try the 32-bit version soon as my exams are over...too much stress to mess up my computer now :P
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Tell us how it goes geniuz! I'm still enjoying Arch, although I've encountered a couple of odd problems, nothing awful: I added myself to the scanner group, but a while later found that I could only use the scanner as root. This problem was resolved by re-adding myself to the scanner group. Now my printer isn't recognised anymore, so I'll have to set it up again. Apart from these little problems, I still find this distro very reliable.
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Have they developed any decent front-end to pacman yet?
There are no official front-ends to pacman and there likely never will be. Arch regards itself as a command-line distro and the Developers intend to keep it that way.

That being said, they're not averse to people developing their own front-ends and sharing them with the community. There are a bunch but I think jacman is probably the most popular. You can read more about it here.

yaourt is great for interfacing with the AUR as well. It's not a front-end but it's basically the pacman for the AUR. You don't have to build unofficial packages by hand.
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Everyone keeps going on about yaourt - it really seems to be something. Is it worth installing?
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Everyone keeps going on about yaourt - it really seems to be something. Is it worth installing?
If you plan on installing packages that aren't maintained in the official Arch repos, then yes. It automates the makepkg process for you.

A good way to tell if it's worth it for you is to install it. That forces you to go through the makepkg process manually. If at that point you decide that installing non-official packages by hand isn't that big of a deal, then you can go ahead and uninstall it. If you think "gee, I wish something would do this for me" then it's worth having. There are lots of useful packages that aren't kept in the Arch repos and having something that downloads and installs them for you automatically is pretty nice.
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...and now someone has created a new tool for recompiling the entire Arch system from source:

Arch Linux Forums / New pacman utility, rebuild and optimize packages from source
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God! This is the fourth time I've attempted to write this! What's happening? I keep being sent back to my usrCP screen. Well, here goes again...
I wanted to say that I've deleted my Archlinux partition! Then I went onto suggest that you should all be gasping in surprise because I was saying that Archlinux was the best thing since disposable nappies! After that, I said that Archlinux continued to satisfy me in every respect and that I actually found it easier than Debian to look after. I said that whereas with Debian you have to reboot to a blank screen and a flashing cursor after a kernel update, Archlinux looks after the graphics card all by itself. I was also going to say that Archlinux is the only distro that I've used that has made installing Java as easy as it should be. I didn't get to say that though because I apparently kept my finger on the shift key too long which appears to have the effect of sending me to userCP - and forcing me to write my message again. This one seems to be working so far. I'll submit it quick...
Right, now I won't have to start from the beginning again! So, why have I un-installed what has, up to now, been my favourite distro? Well, the answer is that I really wanted to try Gentoo. That way I could make a real comparison rather than just asking other people's opinion. Besides, I felt that my Linux experience had a gaping big hole in it without having at least tried Gentoo. So I picked up some courage and had a go. If I don't like it, I'll try something else. At the end of the day, if Archlinux is still my preferred OS, I'll wipe out my Debian partition and stay with it...at least until my next distro-hopping rampage!
So what do I think of Gentoo thus far, and how does it compare with Archlinux? Well, difficult to say just yet, as I've only just finished installing it. Like Archlinux it is has excellent documentation - in fact, it's the only distro that I've tried so far that has better documentation than Archlinux (I have to say that Debian is lousy for this). However, as for the install there is a BIG difference: Gentoo is much, much longer and more difficult! I started yesterday lunchtime, and finished at midnight! Admittedly, I did stop several times to do household chores and the like, and I also make quite a few mistakes, but nevertheless the Archlinux install was much faster and more straightforward: at the end of installing Gentoo I quite literally couldn't get to sleep as I'd managed to get cramp in my shoulder and it was very, very painful indeed! However, I'll say one very positive thing about the Gentoo install: once you've completed a few steps you can actually stop, turn off your computer, and then start again from where you left off! Cool, eh? (But I didn't do that: I'm not that sort of guy! When I start something, I must finish it! Patience is not a virtue of mine.) However, this is a special install (there are about a zillion different ways of installing Gentoo) done from the system rescue CD You also have full internet, and all the various other tools you'd expect to find on a rescue CD. That's all I can compare so far. In the meantime...guess how I'm going to be spending my free time in the next few days!
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