New Web Based OS: Xenon!

**Manchunian** · 12-10-2008

I'm not going to respond as I have already made my point.

I made a predition about the future this morning. It was folly, but, well...I predicted that you'd say that. Turns out that some crazy predicitions come true.

**dandart** · 12-10-2008

> Require a high speed Internet connection

This is entirely optional! That was the point! If you have no connection, so be it. You use the local one. If you have dial-up.... well.... shall I include that? It's awfully old... then again so is bread.... but so many sandwiches include it.

You won't require Internet at all. You have the freedom of choice to run it on anything you like, whether you install it or not.
Ooo... supercomputers, palmtops, PDAs, DSes, toasters, etc... since it only requires 32 megs of memory. (at the very minimum 21 without crashing for the moment, we'll work for 4 after we get X and httpd going... in which case it would probably be 16)

If you want to test the linux base system (or what's there...) you can do so by doing the following:

1. Install qemu
2. Execute this in a terminal:

wget http://32.97.40.13/kernel
wget http://32.97.40.13/rootfs.bz2
bunzip2 rootfs.bz2
qemu rootfs -kernel kernel -append "root=/dev/hda rw" -std-vga -m 32

3. You get a root busybox prompt.

After more work this will eventually bring up a mini version of X with the web site on a localhost httpd.

**schwim** · 12-10-2008

Hi there dandart,

Please forgive me, but I'm going to show my ignorance in such technologies:

I thought the point of a web based OS(cloud computing) was that the data was stored "in the cloud" or remotely. You state that an internet connection is entirely optional, but to me that means it's no longer a web based OS, no?

As for dial-up, until a month ago, I was still using it for shell and gaming(satellite lag made both impossible).

It seems that I've been commenting on something that was entirely different than my conception, but I can't imagine why it would be considered a web based OS if the web were optional.

**dandart** · 12-11-2008

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear,

It's aimed to primarily be a web-based OS, but the interface will look the same and be still used through a web browser (albeit locally) if the web is not used, so I guess it can still be called a web-based OS.

When the internet is used, the localhost server will still be hosting the OS locally, but it will sync with the internet instead of the internet version being directly used.

Cheers
Dan

**peonuser** · 12-15-2008

eyeOS is an interesting one that runs from apache.

**dandart** · 12-21-2008

Tried that. We're trying to be kind of like that but much more intuitive and portable.

**peonuser** · 12-21-2008

how about tinycore?

Tiny Core Linux

**dandart** · 12-21-2008

Thanks for that, we may have to work with them or something or fork... that is what we're trying to achieve

**Bemk** · 12-24-2008

Hi,

I still think it is nice to have my files on a device I can just take with me, such as an external hdd or a USB memory stick.

I think this might be interesting: WebLinux - Linux live on the web!.

It's started by our Darkrose, and it's a very interesting system as well. I think the plans were to first make a properly working command line system and then continue with a possible X server. This system is fully written in JavaScript. It's got some modules in Java or flash I thought, but you're not dependant of them.

A better purpose of this system could be trying out Linux before you actually take it. I'm not sure but maybe there might come some real distro replica's in web form so people could try out a system by going to the internet and not having to burn a CD to try out a system, only to find out it's a text based installer so you can't run it live.

This system could also function as a helper to learn about working with Linux. I would like to use it at the end of this school year to show my IT class what GNU/Linux actually is, but I hope most bugs will be written out of the shell, so I can show them that. I am going back to working on the system because I have been out, due to some private conditions.

::: Edit ::: Nice system by the way!
::: Edit 2 ::: I think that if I wanted something like access to my OS remotely, I would use something like SSH. I still have my files on my own disk, protected behind a password and encryption. Maybe if some one would develop a system that would run on Apache on your own system, and would grant you access from all over the world, I would try that.

**Jonathan183** · 12-25-2008

My thoughts on this - my data is my data ... I don't trust anyone to look after it. I can't even trust an ISP with things like phorm ... there is no way am I going to trust someone else to take care of my data and not take advantage

I used to trust M$ but not any more ... if you want me to play with an OS on the net thats fine ... but as soon as my data is involved that an entirely different situation.

I trust my bank with online banking ... if they f***k up they pay ... if I let google or anyone else look after the data and applications for me and they f***k up who pays ... me.

Local install for anything but toys ... I control it because I'm accountable.

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