Sushe Linux

[errigour]

Im going to build alinux called sushe linux and I need help from others that would like to assist me in this. The reason I posted was because I dont know how to compile linux without not disturbing the existing linux distrabution on my computer. I also wanted to get some or a good suggestion of which linux to use for the installation Im going to try linux-2.6.23.8 first then i'm going to install other things after I boot into the if I can, if anyone wants to add that part to please tell me how to use an existing grub to do that. Again I dont want the current linux kernel to be altered in anyway. The Instructions more or less tell you how to upgrade the current linux so I am a bit worried that it will some how affect my computer from the partition it is in. Also should I use an existing boot directory to boot the kernel or should I boot into the partition. Lastly if anyone wants to help out ill make users for people that want to ssh my computer.





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[meton_magis]

building your own linux distro is not an easy task. Your questions would indicate that you're not really ready. No offence intended, I just see a lot of people who want to compile everything and build their own distro, and all of them fall flat because they don't realize how much work is involved.

I would highly recomend you start by installing Gentoo linux about a hundred times. Start with the stage 3 installs, then when you know it by memory, do stage 2, then stage 1. if you can do all of those, check out linux from scratch. If you can build Linux from scratch, and understand everything that you're doing, then you are probably good enough to experiment and change some things around from the default install they have. Once you understand the entire build order and what everything does, then you're probably ready to do your own thing.

It is not an easy process, think along the lines of several years of learning, and working to get to that point, not a summer of fidling around, or something you can do in your free time for a few months and have it done.

[errigour]

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[errigour]

I've read a couple instructions on how to build a linux from scratch and I have installed linux and used it quite a bit. So far I know that people say the kernel needs a bash shell which I agree with because I like bash but thats the only reason. Im actually kind of enthused at the idea of a linux operating system that doesn't require a username or password but I haven't got to boot just the kernel yet either. I like fstab httpd or rcapache2 preferably httpd, I like vsftpd, also kde stuff, konversation, kmail, nmap, i'm not really sure what use' ping is accept testing your connection to the internet.gcc and make are a must. and maybe a better source for a kde graphical development package. gnome is cool and yast is a must have. I think it would be better to use the text base yast only. apt-get zypper wine and I plan to set this thing up so that dns and bind are configured. I also want it to be a bit promiscuous for safety reasons of course. But your right thats alot of work. Im also missing alot of requirred stuff for development. But if I could run a kernel with bash gcc and make that will be a very cool start.

[Bemk]

I don't want to flame you or break your optimism in any way, and you've said you've read through Linux from scratch.

Now my question in return is, have you actually tried to do it?

I know I have and it was bloody difficult, and ended up with a faulty tool chain somehow (don't ask me why, haven't figured that out, but I suppose it's because I didn't have the exact library versions in place, but sometimes .0.01 to 1.0 newer).

What is easier (and what I've done for my grandpa) is to just install a basic Debian system and specify the packages you want on top of that.

I suppose that's not what you want, for you want the adventure, but just tell me when you've tried and maybe that I might even try again sometime in the near future.

I've passed my exams, and have a little job, but plenty of time left. Maybe when I'm ready, I'll help.

[meton_magis]

errigour, have you ever tried installing Gentoo? I would highly suggest you try it. If you can succesfuly install Gentoo, then I would suggest you try to follow the linux from scratch guide, and install it.

these will not only give you practice building something from scratch (or almost scratch) but will help you understand what does what, and how things work together.

[errigour]

Have you tried installing linux from scratch?
because two of the 25 links of garbage they tell you to install with the linux kernel
don't work. the instructions lack the proper grammer for anyone that wants to
install linux from scratch and I haven't even came close to compiling the kernel
yet because it asks you more than 100 questions for its configuration proscess.

[meton_magis]

Have you tried installing linux from scratch?
because two of the 25 links of garbage they tell you to install with the linux kernel
don't work. the instructions lack the proper grammer for anyone that wants to
install linux from scratch and I haven't even came close to compiling the kernel
yet because it asks you more than 100 questions for its configuration proscess.

Anyone who wants to make their own linux distro HAS to be able to understand kernel compilation. That is what making a distro is all about. Besides just the kernel, you must configure, compile, and install every piece of software you want to install, not to mention your compiler itself.

This is NOT a trivial thing to do. You are wanting to jump into the most complex thing you can do with Linux without doing your own programming. If you don't know how to fill in the blanks in the LFS guide, you can not make your own distro, it just won't happen.

Those 25 links of garbage are called dependencies. if two of the links don't work, you need to figure out how to get that package on your own. the links are a convenience, they are not the only way to get those source packages. Most of the packages listed in LFS are old, they are tested to work together. Unless you want the exact same system that they put out in their guide, you're going to have to figure out what packages work together, and build them with your own options.

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, and I don't want to tell you that you can't do this, because you can do whatever you put enough time into. I'm trying to get you to understand that you're trying to perform step F without doing A through E. You need to understand a LOT more about Linux before you can make your own distro.

[errigour]

Don't tell me that. You have no idea what Im capable of and dont tell me I should be able to do something you couldn't even do yourself and don't recommend linux from scratch.

[Bemk]

Don't tell me that. You have no idea what Im capable of and dont tell me I should be able to do something you couldn't even do yourself and don't recommend linux from scratch.

My gut feeling is that this is heading towards some flames, meaning, I think we should stop.

All I personally wanted to say is, I might come in to help when I'm ready and untill then best of luck with the huge job you're getting your self into. If you say you're ready, then I've got no other option than to beleive you. I just wanted to make sure you know what it is you're getting your self into.