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    Boot With Windows and not linux


    ok the last time i installed linux which was about 4 months ago the linux grub took over my boot screen. I hated that and i dont want to go through that again. It took me weeks to restore windows. Is there a way to dual boot linux and windows so that and not let linux take over my boot menu. Last time i had only one hard drive.

    i have a 2tb hard drive for windows 7 only.
    i also have a 1.5tb hard drive that i want to use for windows 8 developers preview, linux, and mac(if i really have to time).

    if anyone has any helpful information please share. Also i know about virtual machines but I would rather do dual boot without linux taking over.

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    Hello and Welcome!

    I've not dual-booted Windows in years. I know that the GRUB or Lilo bootloaders do a decent job of handling Windows OSs.
    That said, I never edited the MS bootloader to boot Linux.
    But a few web searches may yield some results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayd512 View Post
    That said, I never edited the MS bootloader to boot Linux.
    But a few web searches may yield some results.
    Hello and welcome!

    Like jayd512 above, I've not ever used the Windows bootloader to load Linux either, but I have seen a number of online howto articles describing how to do it. Most serious Linux users go ahead and use GRUB or LILO to successfully boot into either OS, so you might need to search for those howto articles if you don't get detailed instructions from anyone here.

    Hope you get it all working the way you want it.
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    Both LILO and GRUB allow you to set a default OS to boot, and it doesn't have to be Linux. With GRUB, you have to set it explicitly - I think in /etc/grub/defaults - then run update-grub. In LILO, the default is the first OS on the list. So you can set your box to always boot Windows unless you specifically ask for Linux.
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    Trying to get the Windows loader to boot Linux will be a bigger headache then the perceived issues you had with grub early on.
    If you were using the 2nd hard drive with just Linux on it then I would say you could switch the boot order of the drives in bios.
    But since you also want to add Mac and Win 8 to it I would say your chances of getting all of them to boot properly without using grub or LILO is virtually nil.
    Just my 2 cents.

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    Hi sonic912,
    I struggled with dual booting for years. The easiest way I found was to use a Windows program called EasyBCD ... it "just works", is really easy and requires no special care http://http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMicek View Post
    Hi sonic912,
    I struggled with dual booting for years. The easiest way I found was to use a Windows program called EasyBCD ... it "just works", is really easy and requires no special care http://http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
    There is nothing wrong with using EasyBCD, but your problem lies in that most dual-booting Linux users whether its Linux and Windows, Linux & BSD or some other combination will use GRUB or LILO simply because they are natively supported by Linux and Non-Windows OS (Solaris, BSD, Unix, Linux, etc) and because of that will be updated automatically through your software manager.

    Your other issue is that because your running EasyBCD not many of us will know how to help or fix a problem if it arises. Which means you will have to go to a Windows Forum as it is mainly a windows bootloader, This isn't an issue but could be if the problem is Linux related.

    I understand your frustration last time when trying to restore windows. But the easiest way to restore it is through the repair disk/ install disk and running command prompt. ./bootrec.exe and diskpart most of the time can fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL6-A1000 View Post
    Your other issue is that because your running EasyBCD not many of us will know how to help or fix a problem if it arises. Which means you will have to go to a Windows Forum as it is mainly a windows bootloader, This isn't an issue but could be if the problem is Linux related.
    Agreed. I've advised using it in the past, based on excellent reviews. But have never used myself.
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    Guys,
    No guru, but I do use an XP computer normal BootUp
    to dual boot into (1) XP or (2) Linux.

    I first thought of installing Grub4dos to the HD,
    . . . along with "grldr" and "menu.lst".

    Then I opted for a simple approach of substituting system "loader" files.
    This method has No Alteration to the M$ Windows MBR file.
    This method involves renaming "loader" files,
    . . . and adding another "loader" file from grub4dos.
    This method means all steps are reversable,
    . . . voila, back to original M$ XP !

    First off:
    M$ Normal Booting on the HD will activate the MBR (Master Boot Record),
    which will seek "ntldr" on Partition 1, which will bring up the XP OS.

    Secondly:
    A.) I copied "ntldr" to be "wxldr".
    B.) I copied "grldr" from grub4dos to become "ntldr".
    C.) I copied a "menu.lst" in place, offering selections for
    (.1) "Linux" via the puppy kernel/vmlinuz
    which loads the Puppy Linux OS.
    (.2) "XP" via "wxldr"
    which loads the XP OS.

    My code for the XP booting machine is here:

    ##################################
    timeout 33
    default 3
    splashimage=/menu_WX_wp.xpm
    foreground=CC9900
    background=1133EE

    ##################################
    title \n ...............................................{ menu.lst }
    root (hd0,1)
    title ----{ HDD/SDA1/menu.lst via WX /grldr/menu.lst }--------
    root (hd0,1)
    title \n
    root (hd0,1)
    title ---{ LINUX }----------------------------------------------------
    root (hd0,1)

    title ---{1}{ HD Lupu LSYS 525 (=find(Mark) }--- \n ===> on SDA1 <===
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /MARK-WX
    kernel /lupu_WX/lupu_WX_vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=/lupu_WX
    initrd /lupu_WX/lupu_WX_initrd.gz

    title ---{2}{ HD Lupu LSYS 525 (=find(Mark) }--- \n ===> on SDA2 <===
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /MARK-LSYS
    kernel /lupu_LSYS/lupu_LSYS_vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=/lupu_LSYS
    initrd /lupu_LSYS/lupu_LSYS_initrd.gz

    ###################################
    title \n
    root (hd0,1)
    title ---{ M$ XP }----------------------------------------------------
    root (hd0,1)

    title >>>{ M$ XP =(find<wxldr.sys>, chainloader<wxldr> } \n wxldr = ntldr

    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /wxldr
    chainloader /wxldr

    title ---{ M$ XP =(find<any>, chain<filename> }

    errorcheck off
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /IO.SYS
    chainloader /IO.SYS
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /MSDOS.SYS
    chainloader /MSDOS.SYS
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
    chainloader /bootmgr
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
    chainloader /ntldr
    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /wxldr
    chainloader /wxldr
    errorcheck on

    title ---{ M$ XP =(find<wxldr>, chainloader<wxldr> }

    find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /wxldr
    chainloader /wxldr

    title ---{ M$ XP =(chain +1) }=== \n (sda1:PartBootSect)

    chainloader +1

    title ---{ M$ XP =(uuid, chain +1) }=== \n (sda1:PartBootSect)

    uuid 3268A57F68A54289
    chainloader +1

    #####################################

    ( I made a Puppy Linux pendrive
    which will load the Linux kernal or chainload XP "wxldr". )
    ( because its more fun that way).
    There is lots more, but enough fun for now.

    These routines run every day.

    Read the code carefully.
    * Notice where I call "wxldr" instead of "ntldr" .
    * Notice the use of chainloader for the XP load.
    Last edited by glene77is; 03-12-2012 at 03:57 PM. Reason: long wirds

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayd512 View Post
    Agreed. I've advised using it in the past, based on excellent reviews. But have never used myself.
    I use BCD whenever I think the machine may need to be reverted to Windows-only at some point. It works very well, and it does not take grub out of play, you just install grub on the Linux partition instead of the MBR. Once BCD kicks the boot to grub, it's a standard grub boot scenario and help with any issues should be forthcoming here.
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