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    MATE Desktop on Red Hat & Clones


    Hey,
    I was wondering if there was any effort in porting the MATE Desktop to Red Hat &/ or any of its clones??

    I know you may ask why, when Red Hat is still a big user of GNOME 2 just like its clones or why not just use Fedora. But do i really need to explain it? lol I am not a huge fan of Fedora but really like Scientific Linux Fermi and would like to use MATE and some of its new features/ show my support by using the Desktop

    I know the current issue is that alot of the MATE dependencies rely on alot of the later xorg software libraries, that isn't currently supported by Red Hat or Clones.

    In short i am pretty sure i know the answer but i will double check, is it not possible to port all the dependencies and MATE as a seperate REPO without creating a dependency hell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL6-A1000 View Post
    I was wondering if there was any effort in porting the MATE Desktop to Red Hat &/ or any of its clones??
    It was mentioned in the following thread that MATE is included with the Fedora 18 beta release:

    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/cof...-released.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    It was mentioned in the following thread that MATE is included with the Fedora 18 beta release:

    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/cof...-released.html
    Yeah i heard that, but unless i am mistaken Fedora Repo's aren't really compatable with Scientific Linux unless you want package dependency problems. Which would probably cause more problems than its worth?

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    Since Fedora is a test bed for Red Hat, my guess is that MATE will come to Red Hat after some testing (if the Red Hat devs like it), or they will implement their own Gnome2-like environment (maybe from within Gnome3 itself) should they prefer to go that route. I'm thinking the second scenario is more likely to happen. On the other hand, MATE could probably be installed on Red Hat or its clones now with a bit of extra work and some tweaking. I've not tried it, though, so can't say for sure what issues you might encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    Since Fedora is a test bed for Red Hat, my guess is that MATE will come to Red Hat after some testing (if the Red Hat devs like it), or they will implement their own Gnome2-like environment (maybe from within Gnome3 itself) should they prefer to go that route. I'm thinking the second scenario is more likely to happen. On the other hand, MATE could probably be installed on Red Hat or its clones now with a bit of extra work and some tweaking. I've not tried it, though, so can't say for sure what issues you might encounter.
    Yeah, your probably right. It would be interesting to see if they go the GNOME 3 route how they would change it. Whether they create something totally new that resembles gnome 2 or would they just use the gnome extensions or even cinnamon.

    Red Hat must be considering MATE (aside from its popularity of course) on some level as alot of Fedora developers are also Red Hat developers and vice versa. My guess is MATE might be the intermediate step or they might choose to do a hybrid of GNOME 3 & MATE desktop.
    To offer gtk3 and gtk2 compatibility as we know they aren't compatibile with each other. Just my wild ideas.

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    While filing a bug report the other day for Fedora, I noticed that RHEL 7 bug tracker is at this point public on bugzilla.redhat.com

    This bug is from a person @Nvidia.com reporting problem with gnome 3:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861505

    Here's something about 'gnome contacts'
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855822

    More gnome3 problems from nvidia:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861514

    Here's a bug referencing gnome2, though the package includes 'el5' instead of 'el7':
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=781203

    Here's a bug that references KDE:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873989

    I did a search for mate, cinnamon, lxde, and xfce, all of which yielded no bugs.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Red Hat decided to maintain legacy gnome2 for this release on the server side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizzle View Post
    While filing a bug report the other day for Fedora, I noticed that RHEL 7 bug tracker is at this point public on bugzilla.redhat.com

    This bug is from a person @Nvidia.com reporting problem with gnome 3:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861505

    Here's something about 'gnome contacts'
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855822

    More gnome3 problems from nvidia:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861514

    Here's a bug referencing gnome2, though the package includes 'el5' instead of 'el7':
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=781203

    Here's a bug that references KDE:
    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873989

    I did a search for mate, cinnamon, lxde, and xfce, all of which yielded no bugs.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Red Hat decided to maintain legacy gnome2 for this release on the server side.
    So from the bug report we could hypothesize that they are testing GNOME 3, but as you said they most likely will stick with GNOME2 for RHEL 7 at least thats what majority of people suspect or so i have noticed.

    I am no big fan of GNOME 3 and i understand Red Hat is all about servers and stability but at some point they have to jump the band wagon to the community supported desktops whether it is GNOME 3, MATE, a hybrid, or something totally different.
    There is only so far legacy software (i.e 2.6 kernel & older libaries for GNOME2 compatiblity) will take you before there becomes noticable differences in performance and hardware support.

    So if they don't either make a change in RHEL 7 or offer there proposed change as an alternative than its going to be at least 10 years before RHEL 8 is released which would be the next most likely point for a big change; and if the last 10 years is anything to go by in terms of technology then the next 10 could see some pretty big hardware changes and advancements

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