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    Being truthful is not popular. Humans tend to like being lied to for a host of reasons. Here are some new car facts:
    Does It Ever Make Sense to Buy a New*Car? by Eric Peters
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    I thought exactly the same way as that article, until a month ago. My old Ford Mondeo died (unspectacularly, it just had too many things that just needed replacing all at once) and during my search for a used replacement - we had a couple of grand or so to spend - we went to a local dealer who had a VAT (thats UK sales tax) free deal on. It turned out that using our money as a deposit, we could buy a brand new car. Sure, it'd cost us a few quid a month on the finance deal. But the tax disk is 30 quid, not 160 (and they paid the first year anyway), I don't need my AA repair plan (which cost me a couple of hundred quid a year) and my car insurance has gone down by a quarter. And it's about 25% more efficient - so I'm saving 10-15 quid a week on fuel (about 40 quid a month). Servicing costs are about the same - but there's no MoT (legally required vehicle roadworthy test) and there'll be no unexpected bills.

    I do about 25,000 miles a year, possibly a bit more, so in 3 years it's going to have 75,000 miles on the clock. And in that time I reckon I'll have have saved my monthly finance cost on the car in fuel savings and other costs that I wont have. This means that I have a brand new car for the money I was gonna use to buy a used one.

    Having said that, I've bought a mule to carry the load not a thoroughbread horse to go fast in. But I'm just going to be sat in traffic in it for three years anyway.
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    Yeah, I was interested in buying the Focus ST, but I just can't deal with worrying about whether somebody's going to nick it in a parking lot or something, ridiculously high insurance, etc.

    I always buy used - probably always will unless I hit the lotto or something.

    For example, you can spend 40k USD easy on a new 2013 Mustang GT with the track package, post decent times around a track with decent daily drivability.

    Or

    I'm currently in the process of picking up a car for 5k, a '94 Firebird Formula, gutted, $5000+ in suspension work, will kick that mustang's ass around the track as it has comparable power, much better suspension, and much less weight.

    Now obviously for me it's a bit different since I have racing in mind, and the fact that the car I'm looking at is gutted makes it loud and such for daily driving (also, no AC), but the point still remains, $5k car > $40k car in terms of functionality.

    I can see leasing a car to own, maybe....I mean you pay through the nose but eventually you own it - I don't like chain leasing because you're just never-ending payments - always, every month. If you drive a lot, just get a reliable car like a 5th, 6th, or 7th gen civic - they don't die - ever. You can even hack your way to comparable amenities as you can get touch screen GPS units and MP3 cd players and the like.

    It'd be hard for me to reason a new car, that's why I had trouble trying to justify the Focus ST (wanted to use it for racing + daily), despite it being a spectacular car. Maybe I'll pick one up in 5 years with 60k on it for 12k, lol.

    You lose too much driving a car off the 'new car' lot. Too much money for me to justify, anyway.

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    Well, my last new car was a 1999 Toyota Camry. I still have it - with 200+K miles on the odometer! It runs like a Swiss watch (one of those old great mechanical gizmos), gets 25mpg in town and 30+ on the road, can do 110mph in a pinch, and is comfortable enough to drive 1000 miles in a 15 hour day (Boston to Chicago to Denver to San Francisco - 3 days). I have had to do some work on it - maintenance, not system failures, such as timing belts, tires, brakes, and last year a new rear suspension. Overall, maintenance is less than buying a new one for me. FWIW, the 1999 Camry is supposed to be the most reliable automobile ever built, according (I think) to Consumer Reports! As for tires, my last two sets have been Nokia (yes, the phone company) tires - the first pair lasted 80K miles, and still had tread on them! Other than tune-ups, I've had zero engine or transmission work needed. I do have a really good local garage that takes care of stuff for me. When the brake fluid gets low because of brake wear, I stop in, they fill the master cylinder up (no charge), and I'm back on the road!

    So, great car, great service garage, and a seat that knows my butt!
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    Me. I picked up the wife’s 2004 Chrysler Crossfire and My 2007 4 door Nissan Frontier at the Credit Union repo lot. No interest financing. Low miles.
    Lower price than new. Mine should be paid off this year. Hers next year hopefully.

    I've mentioned before how I keep a antique beater truck. That one is the emergency never die backup fetch everything vehicle. Not fancy. But rugged and simple. They will probably bury me in that thing unless it gets stolen first (I keep Mamas, my female pit bull chained up next to it) .

    I;ve bought brand new vehicles before. Last one was a Isuzu Diesel PUP. I could not kill it but a ex girl friend rolled it nose over tailgate
    about 5 times (I witnessed that) which finally killed the truck. She survived. Barely.

    Living on the border. A lot of vehicles get pinched and end up in Mexico anyhows. Also, sometimes you end up in this situation. Only in Texas. You get your vehicle totaled by some one
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    Strictly Linux !!

    Why is this nonsense on a linux form ... Please go elsewhere !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksmatthews View Post
    Why is this nonsense on a linux form ... Please go elsewhere !
    You've just joined and you want to tell us old-timers what we can or can't say in our own forum? Give us a break! This is our social network and we'll socialise as much as we like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksmatthews View Post
    Why is this nonsense on a linux form ... Please go elsewhere !
    This is the Coffee Lounge. A place to kick back and relax. As long as you don't break the forum rules, then you can talk about whatever you like in here. It's a place to make friends - we don't just live, eat and breathe Linux 24 hours a day, you know. I suspect you'll not be endearing yourself to many of our seasoned users with comments of this kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksmatthews View Post
    Why is this nonsense on a linux form ... Please go elsewhere !
    It's a coffee lounge sub-forum - any topic (not violating rules/offensive) goes...

    Off topic 'chill' forums exist on pretty much every forum, get with the times .

    Quote Originally Posted by rokytnji View Post
    Me. I picked up the wife’s 2004 Chrysler Crossfire and My 2007 4 door Nissan Frontier at the Credit Union repo lot. No interest financing. Low miles.
    Lower price than new. Mine should be paid off this year. Hers next year hopefully.

    I've mentioned before how I keep a antique beater truck. That one is the emergency never die backup fetch everything vehicle. Not fancy. But rugged and simple. They will probably bury me in that thing unless it gets stolen first (I keep Mamas, my female pit bull chained up next to it) .

    I;ve bought brand new vehicles before. Last one was a Isuzu Diesel PUP. I could not kill it but a ex girl friend rolled it nose over tailgate
    about 5 times (I witnessed that) which finally killed the truck. She survived. Barely.

    Living on the border. A lot of vehicles get pinched and end up in Mexico anyhows. Also, sometimes you end up in this situation. Only in Texas. You get your vehicle totaled by some one
    with no insurance.
    Yeah, when I was back in NY I kept an old '87 F250 around for plowing and moving heavy ****. It's worth it in some places to have a "crap" vehicle like that. Though here I couldn't reason it. Not enough space, don't even know where I'm going to put my newest acquisition when it arrives :-\.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberman View Post
    Well, my last new car was a 1999 Toyota Camry. I still have it - with 200+K miles on the odometer! It runs like a Swiss watch (one of those old great mechanical gizmos), gets 25mpg in town and 30+ on the road, can do 110mph in a pinch, and is comfortable enough to drive 1000 miles in a 15 hour day (Boston to Chicago to Denver to San Francisco - 3 days). I have had to do some work on it - maintenance, not system failures, such as timing belts, tires, brakes, and last year a new rear suspension. Overall, maintenance is less than buying a new one for me. FWIW, the 1999 Camry is supposed to be the most reliable automobile ever built, according (I think) to Consumer Reports! As for tires, my last two sets have been Nokia (yes, the phone company) tires - the first pair lasted 80K miles, and still had tread on them! Other than tune-ups, I've had zero engine or transmission work needed. I do have a really good local garage that takes care of stuff for me. When the brake fluid gets low because of brake wear, I stop in, they fill the master cylinder up (no charge), and I'm back on the road!

    So, great car, great service garage, and a seat that knows my butt!
    Yeah, 90's Jap cars are ridiculously reliable. My '97 Civic I've done a few cross-country trips and the only issue I had was in NE a couple years ago the muffler fell off.

    That's a salt problem though (cold climates), not a car problem.

    My last trip across country w/ my g/f in that car, literally from her house after Christmas (which I drove ~6 hours to get to I might add): Fueled up, put 40psi on the tires, hit the road, drove across the US. I'd trust that car to go just about anywhere....and at 36mpg with the AC on (measured, not estimated) it has awesome highway mpg's.

    But now I have 3 cars....and it's hard to reason 3 cars, even for me. So I think the civic is going to go :'(. I feel like I'm backstabbing it after countless years of reliability... So many long trips, autocross races, etc. and it just NEVER gave me a major problem in god knows how many miles (been through a few clusters, heh) :-\.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksmatthews View Post
    Why is this nonsense on a linux form ... Please go elsewhere !
    and the horse you rode in on poser.
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