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Of course we all use startx to troubleshoot when X crashes, but do people use it on a regular basis instead of using a display manager? When I used to ...
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- 04-18-2013 #1
How many people use startx?
Of course we all use startx to troubleshoot when X crashes, but do people use it on a regular basis instead of using a display manager? When I used to visit the Debian Forum some years ago, there were quite a few startx users there.
The reason I am asking is that I just upgraded slim on AntiX and I had to reinstall consolekit, which I had got rid of months ago. I use systemd to boot, which is supposed to make consolekit redundant, but seemingly this new build of slim depends on it. It's not just slim either; I checked lightdm as a possible alternative and that also uses consolekit. You all know I hate having unnecessary cruft on my computer and it occurred to me that not having a display manager at all would be the simplest (as in simplicity) solution. All the same it feels a bit like going backwards in time."I'm just a little old lady; don't try to dazzle me with jargon!"
- 04-18-2013 #2
I used startx for some time when slim broke back in AntiX 11 (debian broke it)
I eventually went with xdm login manager on that laptop.
apt-cache depends xdm xdm Depends: libc6 Depends: libpam0g Depends: libselinux1 Depends: libx11-6 Depends: libxau6 Depends: libxaw7 Depends: libxdmcp6 Depends: libxext6 Depends: libxft2 Depends: libxinerama1 Depends: libxmu6 Depends: libxpm4 Depends: libxrender1 Depends: libxt6 |Depends: debconf Depends: <debconf-2.0> cdebconf debconf |Depends: x11-utils |Depends: xbase-clients Depends: <xmessage> Depends: cpp Depends: lsb-base Depends: x11-xserver-utils Depends: procps
- 04-18-2013 #3
I use startx, as I do a lot from the console, and I don't really need a display manager. My .xinitrc only has exec startxfce4.
I find that display managers cause more trouble than they are worth.
- 04-19-2013 #4
I use startx ... it's me preferred way of doing things. Admin tasks almost exclusive cli, regular user probably use X most of the time but still prefer using startx.
- 04-19-2013 #5
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I use startx all the time on my NVidia laptops when I upgrade the kernel...
I was going to recommend xdm, too.
$ yum deplist xorg-x11-xdm Loaded plugins: downloadonly package: xorg-x11-xdm.i686 1:1.1.11-2.fc17 dependency: /bin/sh provider: bash.i686 4.2.39-3.fc17 dependency: libX11.so.6 provider: libX11.i686 1.5.0-2.fc17 dependency: libXau.so.6 provider: libXau.i686 1.0.6-3.fc17 dependency: libXaw.so.7 provider: libXaw.i686 1.0.9-3.fc17 dependency: libXdmcp.so.6 provider: libXdmcp.i686 1.1.1-1.fc17 dependency: libXft.so.2 provider: libXft.i686 2.3.0-2.fc17 dependency: libXinerama.so.1 provider: libXinerama.i686 1.1.2-1.fc17 dependency: libXmu.so.6 provider: libXmu.i686 1.1.0-3.fc17 dependency: libXpm.so.4 provider: libXpm.i686 3.5.10-1.fc17 dependency: libXt.so.6 provider: libXt.i686 1.1.2-2.fc17 dependency: libaudit.so.1 provider: audit-libs.i686 2.2.2-2.fc17 dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.15) provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libcrypt.so.1 provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libcrypt.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libdl.so.2 provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.0) provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.1) provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: libpam.so.0 provider: pam.i686 1.1.5-7.fc17 dependency: libpam.so.0(LIBPAM_1.0) provider: pam.i686 1.1.5-7.fc17 dependency: pam provider: pam.i686 1.1.5-7.fc17 dependency: rtld(GNU_HASH) provider: glibc.i686 2.15-58.fc17 dependency: xorg-x11-xinit
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- 04-19-2013 #8
I use Gentoo, so when certain things get updated and other libs do not, they may or may not talk well together. If consolekit gets updated and the login manager isn't compatible, then it requires a rebuild of the libs that are affected. This may only be a problem on source distros and it doesn't happen often, but when it happens it can be extremely annoying if you have an assignment due and have to get to a GUI to open and print your documents.
- 04-20-2013 #9
Anyway my problem isn't that things stop working; it's the unwanted cruft that seems to come with display managers these days, even lightweight ones. I think I'll try booting to a console for a week or two and see how I get on. If I find it tiresome, I can always go back."I'm just a little old lady; don't try to dazzle me with jargon!"
- 04-20-2013 #10
Unwanted cruft is definitely a problem, but USE flags help me out in Gentoo a lot. I can usually turn off support for something if I really want to.