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Hi all, I have to agree with jens: Originally Posted by jens I mostly use Debian Sid myself, but highly recommend Ubuntu for people who just like an easy Debian ...
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    Hi all,

    I have to agree with jens:
    Quote Originally Posted by jens
    I mostly use Debian Sid myself, but highly recommend Ubuntu for people who just like an easy Debian system that simply works(not sure why this didn't work for techieMoe).
    When I really got into Linux, my goal was to have a Debian system because of the free philosophy (both beer and speech) and because it seemed like it was fairly easy to maintain. I have Ubuntu and it works nicely and it, like Debian, is easy to maintain. I hate to hear that techieMoe had such a bad experience with it. Then again, there are many distros out there and not everyone will like all of them.

    As for ordering a CD, I don't want to wait plus I am using a university internet line (with Download Accelarator for Windows, I was downloading Ubuntu 5.04 at an average of 450KB/s or so) so I just got it one night in like 20min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryansmith

    When I really got into Linux, my goal was to have a Debian system because of the free philosophy (both beer and speech) and because it seemed like it was fairly easy to maintain.
    wait, is there a linux distro that includes free beer?

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    Hi designbydave,

    Being a university student and being of legal drinking age, I would definetly know of anything that got me free beer! Trust me.

    Sadly, I don't think there is a distro that gives out free beer. Maybe some day there will though.

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    I ordered some free Ubuntu cds and got 15. I never got it to work though. Everytime I try it on a used hard drive it never partitions correctly and I get an error message when I get to installing the boot loader or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechieMoe's Tech Reviews
    Ubuntu is popular for the same reason AOL is popular: people are morons.
    I actually have to agree with this statement (to a point), though I have yet to try out 5.04. Ubuntu interested me as a potential "first distro" to try and get my friends to try out when converting them to linux, but after I tried it, I uninstalled it the next day. Ubuntu didn't seem "linux-like" enough in my opinion, and I didn't want to go "OK, now that you've tried that, here's something completely different. Particullarly the way sudoing worked, and not being able to simply log in as root (I never bothered to try, but I assume that this would have caused trouble ftping) Now I start my friend on distros like fedora or SuSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachtib
    Ubuntu didn't seem "linux-like" enough in my opinion
    Could you define what you mean by "linux-like"?
    The way it looks and feels is "Debian-like"
    I take you don't like Debian either, since all bad remarks(so far IMO all untrue) count for Deb as well.
    Ubuntu is made by some some of the same developers as The Debian Project (+many others).
    Also, some Ubuntu code will be used by Debian as well.

    Oh well, some adore Debian(and Debian-Based) and some can't stand it.
    IMHO it's the best distro out there and the Ubuntu crew did a wonderfull job making it available for even more people. I would personally pick Ubuntu over SuSE and Mandrake anytime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryansmith
    Being a university student and being of legal drinking age, I would definetly know of anything that got me free beer! Trust me.

    Sadly, I don't think there is a distro that gives out free beer. Maybe some day there will though.

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    till i saw this post, i'd completely forgotten i'd ordered em!! lol I think it's been about 3 weks since ordering now..... still waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jens
    The way it looks and feels is "Debian-like"
    I take you don't like Debian either, since all bad remarks(so far IMO all untrue) count for Deb as well.
    I can't speak for zach, but in my case that's absolutely not true. I *love* Debian, and I found Ubuntu to operate nothing like Debian at all. Debian-based distros such as Mepis and Libranet operate closer to vanilla Debian IMO. At least they enable the root user and allow you to run outside of X Windows. What remarks have been made that you find untrue?

    Ubuntu is made by some some of the same developers as The Debian Project (+many others).
    Also, some Ubuntu code will be used by Debian as well.
    Actually, there was a recent article written by one of the Debian developers that said he thought Ubuntu was actually *hurting* Debian. Since I for one love Debian but hate Ubuntu, I'm inclined to agree.

    I would personally pick Ubuntu over SuSE and Mandrake anytime...
    For my purposes, I'd put them in this order: SuSE, *maybe* Mandrake, and as a last resort Ubuntu, only when all other options were extinguished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techieMoe

    I can't speak for zach, but in my case that's absolutely not true. I *love* Debian, and I found Ubuntu to operate nothing like Debian at all. Debian-based distros such as Mepis and Libranet operate closer to vanilla Debian IMO. At least they enable the root user and allow you to run outside of X Windows. What remarks have been made that you find untrue?
    Well, it's installer is also the new Debian Sarge installer (including some config tools for X from Sid). Just like with Sarge it first sets up a base sytem with the option to install X and a DE as well. Next you can change everything the way you like using Debian Apt tool. The GNOME(2.10) DE is not the same as the one from Debian though(I like the fact they're not using icons.) With a litle tuning (all apt-get) you can even change this and make it compatible with all the Debian repos(most deb packages are already compatible with Ubuntu). So basically it uses the same installer , the same package tools (dpkg, apt, synaptic, aptitude) and allmost the same packages. Now doesn't that all sounds like Debian. As an extra it also has some extra security updates Mepis and others don't have.

    Disabling root is done for security reasons, if don't like this just do:
    sudo passwd root

    Now idea why opening a CLI didn't work for you
    Ctrl-Alt-F* works fine for me... and so does changing runlevels.


    Actually, there was a recent article written by one of the Debian developers that said he thought Ubuntu was actually *hurting* Debian. Since I for one love Debian but hate Ubuntu, I'm inclined to agree.
    I sadly must agree on this. However, I think he meant that more as a warning. Some Ubuntu packages are indeed so new they might cause conflicts using them in Sarge (they're also becomming more Sid related)
    I hope they'll fix this in the future.

    For my purposes, I'd put them in this order: SuSE, *maybe* Mandrake, and as a last resort Ubuntu, only when all other options were extinguished.
    I'm sure everyone has his/her own list for that

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