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    Well I figure if I can convince M.I.T. to use Jedi on their servers, then when I apply, I'll just say:
    "You know your servers? Yeah, I wrote that."

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    Re: Usefulness of Linux?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibowtotux
    uhhhhh...Linux is a type of Unix, hoss.
    Litux is not a type of UNIX, it is a UNIX clone.
    Linux is a unique type of Unix. It is built upon the same fundamentals. Thus making it a TYPE of the UNIX operating system. Whether or not you call it a clone or a type, it is the same idea. By saying "Linux != Unix" is simply absurd in meaning. I am of course quoting Bjarne Stroustrup from a conference he made. But what would he know, right? He only knew Ritchie...

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    Linux is a Unix-like OS, let's leave it at that (/me smells another OpenBSD Thread)

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    PM if you wish to give an uncut/unedited take on me...

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    That wasn't an attack against you by the way, that was me pre-emptively defusing the situation

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    Re: Usefulness of Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by ibowtotux
    Linux is a unique type of Unix. It is built upon the same fundamentals. Thus making it a TYPE of the UNIX operating system. Whether or not you call it a clone or a type, it is the same idea. By saying "Linux != Unix" is simply absurd in meaning. I am of course quoting Bjarne Stroustrup from a conference he made. But what would he know, right? He only knew Ritchie...
    This isn't a matter of opinion. You simply have your facts confused. Linux is NOT Unix, see my previous post for that. Unix is a trademark for a set of operating systems that have paid a fee to The Open Group, who bought that trademark from Novell, who acquired it from AT&T.

    Linus Torvalds created a kernel that was designed to act like a UNIX kernel, but that is where the comparison ends. Linux is a completely free, non-proprietary kernel that has no ties to UNIX other than the way it works.

    BSD on the other hand at one time did contain UNIX code from AT&T (see history of BSD here), so you could technically say that in the past, BSD was UNIX. Now however all vestiges of the AT&T code to the best of my knowledge have been removed, but it still remains much closer to UNIX than Linux.

    I hope that clears up any confusion and we can move on.
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    However, to be painstakingly accurate, Linus borrowed a lot of ideas from Tannenbaum (and Minix was UNIX).
    Some similarities between UNIX and Linux would be:

    -Same basic filesystem layout (where everything is a subset of / )
    -A lot of the same commands
    -GNU/Linux metadistributions generally either use BSD Initscripts or System V Init, inherited from BSD and System V, respectively.
    -And the list goes on...

    However Linux is not Unix, however it is a UNIX-like environment.

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    i went to a tech school (tennessee technology center) and they didn't care if you even knew how to turn on a computer. pointless school, dont recommend to anyone. now i am going to a real college, and they still dont care. as someone said in an earlier post, its all about money. no prior experience was necessary.
    Today I fell and felt better, Just knowing this matters, I just feel stronger and SHARPER!!!, Found a box of sharp objects, What a beautiful THING!!! Box of Sharp Objects - The Used

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerdonald
    However, to be painstakingly accurate, Linus borrowed a lot of ideas from Tannenbaum (and Minix was UNIX).
    No, to be painstakingly accurate, Minix was a clone of UNIX, to the best of my knowledge contained no proprietary code, and was never registered under the name of UNIX, therefore Minix is also not Unix. (source)

    PS - Guys, I'm not trying to be difficult here, I'm just trying to clarify what I saw as a misinterpretation of publicly-available factual information. I know it might be silly (and off-topic) to argue this point, so I'm just going to stop here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techieMoe
    Quote Originally Posted by lakerdonald
    However, to be painstakingly accurate, Linus borrowed a lot of ideas from Tannenbaum (and Minix was UNIX).
    No, to be painstakingly accurate, Minix was a clone of UNIX, to the best of my knowledge contained no proprietary code, and was never registered under the name of UNIX, therefore Minix is also not Unix. (source)

    PS - Guys, I'm not trying to be difficult here, I'm just trying to clarify what I saw as a misinterpretation of publicly-available factual information. I know it might be silly (and off-topic) to argue this point, so I'm just going to stop here.
    I will also stop here by saying this:
    As far as I knew, Minix was in fact a Unix Microkernel optimized for the PC...then again I could be wrong.

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