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i was standing out on my porch in a sleep-deprived state and a thought ocurred to me... since the internet is exactly the same as a LAN, and clusters are ...
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    interesting idea for an insane project


    i was standing out on my porch in a sleep-deprived state and a thought ocurred to me... since the internet is exactly the same as a LAN, and clusters are built around the same network protocols as LANs, would it not be possible to write a program that turned a list of IPs into a giant cluster? if so, would it not be very easy to set a record for the world's most powerful supercomputer in such a fashion?? i think it would be an interesting idea to test out if we could find some volunteers and talented coders to modify the beowulf stuff to work across the internet... any thoughts?
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    Wouldnt work AFAIK clusters have to be on a fast LAN. you could use distrubuted computing but thats out there all ready (Seti project).

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    could it be done on a smaller scale using a university's already existing ethernet structure, employing all of the computers on the network?? (i don't know why i want to do it.. i just know that i want to... is that so bad? :P)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordnothing
    (i don't know why i want to do it.. i just know that i want to... is that so bad? :P)
    Nothing wrong with that i do things like this all the time. And yes if you've got a network allready setup you could do it with 2 machines it wont be much but it will be a cluster(Kinda). Try MSC linux i remeber that being a good distro you only need a master node to control all the other nodes, But the good thing is to add new nodes you just boot the node from CD so you dont need to install anything to add new nodes

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    ok.. as long as we're on the subject of clustering and such.. what exactly would be involved in building a protected rack to mount a bunch of old SMP boards to along with their power supplies to build a proper piecemeal beowulf cluster?
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    Have you ever seen Hackers 2: Operation Takedown? Kevin Mitnik uses a university's LAN as a cluster to crack some 1337 56-bit encryption.
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    man, i haven't heard that name since 2600 (or was it phrack? i forgot) had that counter on their website showing how long he had been imprisoned without trial.. whatever came of that, anyways?? and is that movie actually any good (i didn't even know they had made a sequel)?
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    Yeah, it is a good movie. Not so much a sequel to the first as a totally different movie. It's about Mitnick's life, etc. Not following the first one at all.
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    When talking about Mitnick, has anyone here read his book "The art of deception"?

    I have, and I must say, wow! Its pretty good, illustrates some of the weak-spots a company may have.

    If you havn't read it, run to your local bookstore

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    I have it and have read most of it, but then I moved and forgot that I was reading a book...I'll have to dig it out and finish it.
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