[TruthSeeker]

Originally Posted by drakebasher

You may not have noticed, but it seems to me that the "media" generally prints/reports what other people tell them. Maybe it's the scientists who lie? Yeah, that's it. But at least our president knows better.

Hmm... seems to me the media say whatever sells best... saying "Linux is an excellent alternative to Windows" isn't going to make them much money, but saying "MS has released a new & improved version of Windows" will. Or, printing in huge type "Spanish Destroy the Maine!" It's not a method that leads to the truth.

Scientists? Actually, there's quite a debate about it... global warming isn't nearly the accepted scientific fact the media portrays it as. Also, even if most scientists agreed, that still doesn't mean they're correct. Throughout history, the "mainstream view," "popular opinion," "expert's view," etc. has, more often than not, been wrong. How about the Ptolemaic/Aristotelian geocentric universe, a model which lasted for over a thousand years? Models change as new things are discovered.

But about our president... yeah, he probably doesn't even know how to read a thermometer. Every now and then he says something right, and I get excited... and then he either forgets about it, or does it completely wrong.

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Even if global warming is a problem, what should we do? Make stricter emissions/fuel efficiency standards, or use hybrid cars, and don't use P4's? That won't help very much. The solution is quite simple: Nuclear power. Contrary to popular belief, modern technology is extremely safe, and "nuclear waste" can be reprocessed into new fuel and other useful materials. With the increased generating capacity it would offer, we can think about hydrogen cars, or more electrified public transportation. Plus, your electricity bills would go way down. And all the other problems with oil such as limited supplies, dependance on the Middle East, etc. would be gone.

[Vergil83]

Originally Posted by truoc444

in the geology classes i took in college it's very evident that global warming is a cycle that happens every 10-20,000 years. granted we may be helping it but it's not totally our fault either. it's happened hundreds of times in the history of the earth. i live in utah and a lot of the evidence is right in the layers in the mountains.

yes, there are "Milankovitch cycles" that occur (at different time frames actually). However, this is not caused by such a cycle.

Originally Posted by a12ctic

im gona have to tell you guys that right now global warming is BULL SHIT, the media LIES, global warming isnt near to a point as which the media tells us.

based on the no data you provided, the no information cited, the no scientists, etc....

Just because you don't want global climate change to be a problem doesn't mean it isn't.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker

Scientists? Actually, there's quite a debate about it... global warming isn't nearly the accepted scientific fact the media portrays it as. Also, even if most scientists agreed, that still doesn't mean they're correct. Throughout history, the "mainstream view," "popular opinion," "expert's view," etc. has, more often than not, been wrong. How about the Ptolemaic/Aristotelian geocentric universe, a model which lasted for over a thousand years? Models change as new things are discovered.

Actually there is little to no debate about global climate change. It is happening. There is some debate on the amount humans are to blame.

Yes, science does change and it gets better. Aristolelian did have a geocentric universe. They were wrong about that, but correct about earth's shape and size (with like 10%). Their ideas were improvements on older ideas (egg earth, turtle's back etc...).

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker

Even if global warming is a problem, what should we do? Make stricter emissions/fuel efficiency standards, or use hybrid cars, and don't use P4's? That won't help very much. The solution is quite simple: Nuclear power. Contrary to popular belief, modern technology is extremely safe, and "nuclear waste" can be reprocessed into new fuel and other useful materials. With the increased generating capacity it would offer, we can think about hydrogen cars, or more electrified public transportation. Plus, your electricity bills would go way down. And all the other problems with oil such as limited supplies, dependance on the Middle East, etc. would be gone.

Actually conservation is the easiest and one of the best things we can do. A large amount of emissons are from cars, and better fuel efficiency can have powerful effects on output and energy use. For example from 1979 to 1986, GDP grew 20 percent while total energy use fell by 5 percent. The reason why? We were more efficent, especially with our cars. Also, nuclear power is far from cheap. The only reason the industry extist in the US is because of the huge subsidies they get from the government. Sadly, burning fossil fuels is still the cheapest source of power.

[afroguy013]

Originally Posted by Ozar

I found out just yesterday that there are people out there who believe Katrina was a man-made hurricane, and that someone was actually controlling and stirring it as it travelled across the gulf.

Sound pretty strange to me, and I don't at all believe that to be the case, but I won't go so far as to say it's totally impossible.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY BY OPEC TO DRIVE OUR OIL COSTS UP!!!!

(Well, at least here in GA...)

Yeah, we're feeling it here too. We've got a bunch of refugees from Tulane here at GT until they can go back (which'll probably take a while, sadly.) I'm just glad everyone here seems to be giving all the support they can to everyone hit by the storm.

[a thing]

Now what does everyone think about this?

[Dude500]

I am just wondering why there are so many hurricanes within the past few years, and why is global warming happening, I mean I know some stuff about global warming, but not much

[a12ctic]

Originally Posted by Dude500

I am just wondering why there are so many hurricanes within the past few years, and why is global warming happening, I mean I know some stuff about global warming, but not much

please dont get me started about the relashionship between the 2...

[Vergil83]

Originally Posted by a12ctic

please dont get me started about the relashionship between the 2...

my post remains unremarked on......

[lakerdonald]

You know what I think?
George Bush himself was sitting in some control room in the White House basement, and he created Katrina and Rita. Then, he decided to go and smother some puppies under a mattress, and when he was bored with that, he went and stole some money from an orphanage.

[fanfan1313]

I don't believe that global warming is the the problem, I've heard that the average water temperature has only risen 1 degree in 20 years. Also I do not believe that Nuclear Power is the answer. I do believe that Nuclear Plants are safe, however I believe an accident is always possible. I truly believe that renewable energy is the long term solution, especially solar. Has anyone ever heard of the Solar Decathlon? Teams from top colleges (even from Puerto Rico) built houses that completely ran off of solar electricity and were tested for performance and livability. The team that one's house was incredible. I walked inside; it looked truly like a normal house. They had two TV's, a computer and all the lights on and not a hitch. You did not notice the solar panels on the roof. Also if everyone had solar power, there would be no grid, no wires from the power station to your house. If anything broke it would be isolated to one house, and you would see no power lines. The only thing that stops it from taking off is because, at the moment, if you bought a solar system, sold your excess electricity to the utility company, and never payed an electricity bill for the rest of your life, it would never pay for itself.

I admit since my dad was a judge at the solar decathlon, I am heavily biased.
-fanfan

[winter]

Originally Posted by Dude500

I am just wondering why there are so many hurricanes within the past few years, and why is global warming happening, I mean I know some stuff about global warming, but not much

It would take around 100 years for the full effects to be felt. If the populous where at lest able to achive some form of sustainability