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    what'd i tell you guys?...no goverment is good government
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    what'd i tell you guys?...no goverment is good government
    and with no government you would see the same sort of looting and pilliging that you saw in new orleans and such. so no more anarchy vs government discussions i beg of you

    btw two of the definitions of anarchy
    Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
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    Political disorder and confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosponti
    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    what'd i tell you guys?...no goverment is good government
    and with no government you would see the same sort of looting and pilliging that you saw in new orleans and such. so no more anarchy vs government discussions i beg of you

    btw two of the definitions of anarchy
    Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
    or
    Political disorder and confusion.

    aslong as theirs any talk about world issues/politics i'll be throwing in my two-cents. thank you very much. no government = people could govern theirselfs...why would you steal from your own community if everyone was treated as an equal and you already had all that you needed?

    the media portraits any sort of libertarian socialist to be some maniac throwing bombs and lighting cars on fire or some sort of punk rocker guy pissing on your front lawn.

    Main Entry: an·ar·chism
    Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-"ki-z&m, -"när-
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    a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

    political disorder and confusion?....i think that's called just not knowing what you're talking about and blowing things up...hmm...reminds me of george w. bush.,,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    aslong as theirs any talk about world issues/politics i'll be throwing in my two-cents. thank you very much. no government = people could govern theirselfs...why would you steal from your own community if everyone was treated as an equal and you already had all that you needed?
    I think we've already covered this in another thread. True anarchism runs on the assumption that there are no bad eggs to screw it up for everyone else, and the real world teaches us that this Utopian ideal is just that: utopian. I'm not saying it's bad to have a dream, but I honestly don't think people today can handle true anarchy.

    Not to mention that the "everyone is equal, all have what they need" is more a Marxist Communist idea than an anarchist one, but I may just be talking out of my behind there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techieMoe
    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    aslong as theirs any talk about world issues/politics i'll be throwing in my two-cents. thank you very much. no government = people could govern theirselfs...why would you steal from your own community if everyone was treated as an equal and you already had all that you needed?
    I think we've already covered this in another thread. True anarchism runs on the assumption that there are no bad eggs to screw it up for everyone else, and the real world teaches us that this Utopian ideal is just that: utopian. I'm not saying it's bad to have a dream, but I honestly don't think people today can handle true anarchy.

    Not to mention that the "everyone is equal, all have what they need" is more a Marxist Communist idea than an anarchist one, but I may just be talking out of my behind there.
    marxism leads to anarchism in the end. i'm not going to get into it too much because i've already said it all in that other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    what'd i tell you guys?...no goverment is good government
    and with no government you would see the same sort of looting and pilliging that you saw in new orleans and such. so no more anarchy vs government discussions i beg of you

    btw two of the definitions of anarchy
    Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
    or
    Political disorder and confusion.

    aslong as theirs any talk about world issues/politics i'll be throwing in my two-cents. thank you very much. no government = people could govern theirselfs...why would you steal from your own community if everyone was treated as an equal and you already had all that you needed?

    the media portraits any sort of libertarian socialist to be some maniac throwing bombs and lighting cars on fire or some sort of punk rocker guy pissing on your front lawn.

    Main Entry: an·ar·chism
    Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-"ki-z&m, -"när-
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    a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

    political disorder and confusion?....i think that's called just not knowing what you're talking about and blowing things up...hmm...reminds me of george w. bush.,,,,
    no anarchy's official definition is not its connatation anarchy is generally seen as disorder and chaos. people are mostly stupid animals that can do with out a written set of rules to follow in true anarchy there are no written rules just self governing. you are very nieve to believe in people that much. i know most people are big stupid and lazy and would never function without government plus how would vast different communities interact without government. you obviously hold too high an esteem for people's good will. its still obvious that WITH rules people still break them and Yes i believe someone would steal from thier own community. i have seen too many times someone go out and break the rules because it didnt suit them. wake up and see the bigger picture. if you had a community of about 400 or so people that would be fine i think but with the 250 million people in the US our country would literally eat itself to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosponti
    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    Quote Originally Posted by carlosponti
    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    what'd i tell you guys?...no goverment is good government
    and with no government you would see the same sort of looting and pilliging that you saw in new orleans and such. so no more anarchy vs government discussions i beg of you

    btw two of the definitions of anarchy
    Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
    or
    Political disorder and confusion.

    aslong as theirs any talk about world issues/politics i'll be throwing in my two-cents. thank you very much. no government = people could govern theirselfs...why would you steal from your own community if everyone was treated as an equal and you already had all that you needed?

    the media portraits any sort of libertarian socialist to be some maniac throwing bombs and lighting cars on fire or some sort of punk rocker guy pissing on your front lawn.

    Main Entry: an·ar·chism
    Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-"ki-z&m, -"när-
    Function: noun
    a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

    political disorder and confusion?....i think that's called just not knowing what you're talking about and blowing things up...hmm...reminds me of george w. bush.,,,,
    no anarchy's official definition is not its connatation anarchy is generally seen as disorder and chaos. people are mostly stupid animals that can do with out a written set of rules to follow in true anarchy there are no written rules just self governing. you are very nieve to believe in people that much. i know most people are big stupid and lazy and would never function without government plus how would vast different communities interact without government. you obviously hold too high an esteem for people's good will. its still obvious that WITH rules people still break them and Yes i believe someone would steal from thier own community. i have seen too many times someone go out and break the rules because it didnt suit them. wake up and see the bigger picture. if you had a community of about 400 or so people that would be fine i think but with the 250 million people in the US our country would literally eat itself to death.

    um, no. anarchy isn't chaos and disorder, but go read my thread
    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/top...olitical+views

    i'm trying to prove a point here, if there were no class divisions or any of that and people could work together and treat everyone as equals then there wouldn't be such problems and if someone commits a crime then they can be kicked out and left to starve and die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal // anarchism
    i'm trying to prove a point here, if there were no class divisions or any of that and people could work together and treat everyone as equals then there wouldn't be such problems and if someone commits a crime then they can be kicked out and left to starve and die.
    Well sure, but that's a pretty big IF. It's like saying "If there were no disease in the world, the whole world would be more healthy."

    If people could work together there would be no war, no crime, and no need for government, sure. The problem is, people can't.
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    i'm trying to prove a point here, if there were no class divisions or any of that and people could work together and treat everyone as equals then there wouldn't be such problems and if someone commits a crime then they can be kicked out and left to starve and die.
    You, your children, your grandchildren and your great gandchildren will never see a utopia like you suggest in your/their lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LondoJowo
    i'm trying to prove a point here, if there were no class divisions or any of that and people could work together and treat everyone as equals then there wouldn't be such problems and if someone commits a crime then they can be kicked out and left to starve and die.
    You, your children, your grandchildren and your great gandchildren will never see a utopia like you suggest in your/their lifetime.

    by then people won't be able to understand "peace"
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