Does apple's "boot camp" spell doom?

[Vergil83]

What did you expect? Apple can't very well change the way MS Windows installs because it's every bit as proprietary as OS X's installer. Apple went as far as they could making it as easy as possible (even burning a driver CD for the Apple hardware) without actually hacking MS Windows.

That was my point. This really isn't making installing windows that much easier (no fault of Apple's). That is the reason I said Basically no one is going to use this. because it isn't much easier.

[techieMoe]

That was my point. This really isn't making installing windows that much easier (no fault of Apple's). That is the reason I said Basically no one is going to use this. because it isn't much easier.

I bring the counter-point that aimstolemylife just brought up: the people who will use this are probably already competent enough to install MS Windows on their own, so it doesn't matter. If what you're trying to say is "Boot Camp isn't a life-altering event," then I agree. It's a slick program that will make a lot of people happy (or just give them something new to play with), but I don't expect it to change the world.

[aimstolemylife]

That is indeed what I was getting at. Nothing more, really.

Vergil83I have to disagree. I think more people will use it than you expect. Granted, it may take a while for it to be adopted. I think It mainly affects people on the fence as techieMoe said and businesses who want the ease of OSX and need to occasionally run XP. Hopefully IT departments are able to install XP.

[Weedman]

No, one day PC users will come to their senses and quit asking for this. Why? One of the main reasons Apple's operating system is so damned secure and stable is because of quality control. Since only Apple makes Apple hardware, they know exactly what's going into each machine and exactly what situations they need to be prepared for. Moving OS X to the commodity PC market would open up an enormous can of worms that MS Windows has had to deal with since version 1.0. I just don't see the logic in doing it.

On a somewhat related note, I bought a MacBook Pro this weekend.

Now it all makes sense. Thanks TechieMoe!

Sidetracking from the topic, I read your review/thing on your experience with xp and a macbook. It really did suprise me.

Please explain people. Why would this be good for Linux? Where does Linux come into this, really? Too bad I didn't notice that before i started this thread.
~the_weedman

[bryansmith]

On a somewhat related note, I bought a MacBook Pro this weekend.

I am really jealous. Any chance you can buy me one ?

Bryan

[pavlo_7]

I had a chance to see MacBook Pro in action today, and I was truly impressed by its performance. Windows and the Apple's OS seemed to run naturally on that hardware -- no problems, accept that it generates a lot of heat ( a potential overheating problem). The real disappointment came when I tried to load a Live DVD with Gentoo, Simply Mepis, and Belenix on it. It simply did not boot. I think it's not a big deal and can be corrected if Grub bootloader is modified. The DVD was recognized, and started booting, but stopped right before the boot options normally show up. I think that it would be worth the money if installing Linux on it was also made easy . Then, the next smart move for Apple would be to include some sort of a light-weight hardware emulator, so that all three operating systems could be started at the same time and the user could easily switch between the OSs without having to reboot the machine.

[techieMoe]

I had a chance to see MacBook Pro in action today, and I was truly impressed by its performance. Windows and the Apple's OS seemed to run naturally on that hardware -- no problems, accept that it generates a lot of heat ( a potential overheating problem).

It definitely generates a lot of heat. I imagine with the next generation of MacBooks Apple will address this. I'm not worried if something burns out, though. Apple has pretty good replacement service. I can personally vouch for the hardware running very well on both OS X and Windows XP. It's a very hardy little machine.

The real disappointment came when I tried to load a Live DVD with Gentoo, Simply Mepis, and Belenix on it. It simply did not boot. I think it's not a big deal and can be corrected if Grub bootloader is modified.

This might have something to do with EFI, the replacement for BIOS that the MacBook Pro uses. I don't know of many Linux distributions (or liveCDs) that have been modified to work with it just yet.

[pavlo_7]

This might have something to do with EFI, the replacement for BIOS that the MacBook Pro uses.

Then I guess it would require much more work to get Linux running on it. But, I'm sure it will be done soon.

[carlosponti]

i happened to read an article over the weekend that stated that more and more people are growing dissapointed with microsoft software. the majority of these people you will see defect to apple. the more technically savvy will defect to linux. i am not saying in any means that microsoft is done for but you will see a more even market share than what is current. that is how it will be good for linux.