Find the answer to your Linux question:
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
Hello, I'd like to introduce myself. My name Is Alexander R. Oswald. I develop code in C, C++, Python, and NASM. This is why I use linux: <RANT> Quote from ...
Enjoy an ad free experience by logging in. Not a member yet? Register.
  1. #1
    Just Joined!
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    0

    Smile Windows more reliable?


    Hello, I'd like to introduce myself. My name Is Alexander R. Oswald. I develop code in C, C++, Python, and NASM. This is why I use linux:

    <RANT>

    Quote from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...s/default.mspx

    "As you weigh the costs and risks of Windows and Linux, consider this: More and more independent analysts and leading companies find that Windows Server System outperforms Linux on TCO, reliability, security, and indemnification. Get the facts, and make the decision that's right for your business."

    I for one, have been weighing the costs and risks of Windows and Linux for over 10 years now, and I'm pretty sure I have the facts.

    I'm not sure what TCO is, but relaibility and security I know. My linux box does nothing I do not tell it to do, and no outside party influences the behavior of my system, unless he is root. My windows system, on the other hand, dials up to the internet everytime I open an application, and downloads so-called 'updates'. If the system was reliable and secure right out of the box, I would not be forced to wait while it fixes its broken, insecure, and unreliable software. Reliability and security are the Two main reasons why I migrated to linux.

    indemnification: here, microsoft uses a word I have to look up:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indemnity

    "Indemnification is a promise, usually as a contract provision, protecting one party from financial loss. This is sometimes stated as a requirement that one party "hold harmless" the other. Indemnification is a type of insurance, which protects one party at the expense of the other. Indemnification can either by direct payment or reimbursement for the loss. Indemnification clauses cannot usually be enforced for intentional tortious conduct of the protected party."

    I guess microsoft is second to none in protecting itself from financial loss, but what of the consumer? Does microsoft protect me from financial loss? Are they somehow going to reimburse me for the hours wasted in installing their software, rooting through the registry for entries placed there by viruses that have destroyed countless hours of hard work? Are they going to personally, and without charge, remove and repair the countless lines of code inserted by the spyware, malware, and harmul data mining programs that have become embedded in their systems? for some reason, I cannot believe they have given me any protection at all from loss of money, time, or labor. At 100 dollars an hour to fix their broken-$$$ system, so I can use 'notepad' or 'wordpad' (the two worst text editors in history, as well as the only editors that ship with microsoft), I assume if not for the Indemnity clause in their licensing agreement, They would owe me sums of money large enough to allow me to retire in comfort for the next thirty years.

    Microsoft does develop an office suite that is not notepad or wordpad. It is called Microsoft office. This was my last experience with office software developed by Microsoft: It costed over $400 US dollars. This, at the time, was over 1/2 my monthly rent. The sotware took well over an hour to install. I had to reboot my system, and so I did. After rebooting, the system crashed. Reliability. woo hoo. The culprit was a virus that has somehow magically appeared. I say magically because my machine had not been connected to the internet for over two days, as my modem had not worked since I had attempted to uninstall AOL two days prior. (I have much to say about AOL, but not right now, Its good enough to say, if you are unfamiliar with AOL, its the virus that ships with all new microsoft PC's). So eventually I fix the machine, and it works, and I can click the little icon for MS word, and start on my term paper, right? Wrong. I start typing text, get about half a page in, and my computer REBOOTS. So I open the application again, start typing again, same thing happens. I spend the next 3 hours trying to resolve the problem. Of course, Microsoft knows about the problem already, but no resolution has yet been found. It is suggested that I install service pack 2, which I had already done, and then re-install the software. At this point, I'm in a real rush to get my paper finished, and I do the most reasonable thing I can think of-- I wipe out the last shred of AOL badness on my machine, get my internet connection working, download OpenOffice, and never look back. I still wish that microsoft would pay me the 1300 dollars they owe me for my labor, and for the cost of their broken $$$ software. Maybe for a little pain and suffering? Indemnity? I think not.

    Benifits of linux: It is secure. It is reliable. It is portable. If there is a problem in the code, It is fixable. It is written by people who like to write good software. Effective support exists. It is Infinitely more cost effective than Windows. Linux: the cost of a few burnable CDs (about $5), then install on as many machines as necessary -- Windows XP: Currently around $114 (at discount price, only usable on a SINGLE machine).

    Benefits of windows: I can't seem to think of any.
    It is insecure (microsoft security only protects microsoft), unreliable, currently available distributions work only on machines less than 2 years old, and then only barely work at all, problems in the code are NOT repairable, and updates are NOT available in a timely manner. Also, the support system is GROSSLY ineffective in comparison to linux support. If you sell all the blood from your body, you still cant afford it with a working office suite.

    You get what you pay for, I suppose.

    </RANT>

  2. #2
    Linux User
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    473
    this thread will probobly be closed

  3. #3
    Linux Newbie stubbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    143
    Yeah, but no matter how sucks windows is, it's still the most dominant, most wide used operating system in the world. Why? Simply, I do think because of the software availability. Ranging from freewares to 10000+ softwares, games, multimedia, specially drivers, and alot more.

    Just like the gaming consoles. No matter how cool is the hardware, when it lacks of the games it's prolly dead already. Look at 3DO and Jaguar or 32x. Not saying Linux will be dead, since those console are closed developed, and Linux users aren't only gamers and multimedia developers.

    Some can benefit from linux but some people would face alot of difficulties, let alone becoming far less productive than in windows. Why? Alot of computer users are the type of "I can't use it because I never heard of it".

    Some people gets interested when they saw me tiddling with Linux, asking what's that, so I explain to them, and when I get to the point "it's free" humm... they all instantly turn their face around and giggles. Some get further more, they tried a little, but when they see the list of the alien software names they give up.

    One big influental factor in this attitude is marketing. The commercial software has all the budget to do crazy, expensive advertising while Linux keep silent.

    Try to persuade them with Linux and they becoming aggressively defensive. Ironic, but that's the way it is.

    All in all, I do think that FOSS is the future of software industry. Don't ever mind what people say to you about you using FOSS, just keep the benefits to yourself and enjoy. I do.

  4. #4
    Just Joined!
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    0

    Smile

    Minor oversights: TCO = Total Cost of Ownership (Remembered from some college course or another, so not effective as an advertisment to non-business-savvy consumers). How Microsoft Distributions can compete with linux in terms of cost, I'll never know. I assume Microsoft's advertising execs think it takes a fleet of developers to run a single linux machine. Hell. For FREE, I can set up a limited desktop for my employees, offering only the applications I want them to use, with NO CHANCE of those employees changing ANYTHING on the system, then also, I can port those settings to every client machine in the department. TCO drops dramatically where software cost is a non-issue, costs of training employees, and having a few tech-heads around to resolve minor problems remains the same.

    problem: the employee complains his computer isnt working because he cant browse outside the local intranet, and install yahoo! messenger--

    solution: in training, you were told not to do that.

    Microsoft Windows has one big benefit: There are more games written to run under microsoft than any other platform:

    So microsoft should be more concerned about competing with sony and nintendo. The chance for usefulness in business ended with the cost of owning a single copy of microsoft office.

  5. #5
    Just Joined!
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    0
    Yeh, Likely the thread will be closed. Its not really a useful thread, I'm just venting of recent microsoft ads Ive seen. But honestly, Stubbe is right. Its advertising that makes the corporate world go round, so why should I complain?

    Microsoft is spending HUGE amounts of moneyu to let the world know Linux exists, and is bad. This will only get more people interested in Linux.

  6. #6
    Just Joined! vwvr9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Penang, Malaysia
    Posts
    26
    I love Linux but there are some place that Windows wins.

    I think on a long term basis Linux cost more then windows to maintain and run. We have more windows engineers then Linux enginners out there.
    Linux engineers aren't cheap .

    Me at home I run both. windows is always my choice desktop but everything else goes onto my linux boxes then have been running for months now.

  7. #7
    Linux Newbie stubbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    143
    Quote Originally Posted by vwvr9
    I love Linux but there are some place that Windows wins.

    I think on a long term basis Linux cost more then windows to maintain and run. We have more windows engineers then Linux enginners out there.
    Linux engineers aren't cheap .

    Me at home I run both. windows is always my choice desktop but everything else goes onto my linux boxes then have been running for months now.
    Don't forget on how much it'll cost you for the operating system security such as antiviruses, antispywares, firewall, etc, and let alone everyone can install anything on windows. Seeing on the efficient side of Windows, it's not really efficient. I myself installed IM, IRC and couple of games to accompany me when stay late at the office to pursue the deadline, or sometimes when boss isn't around ROFL

    Alot of local internet cafe in Indonesia started to use Linux. Their customers complains on their unfamiliarity with the softwares. Also like the unavailability of webcams in the chat client. But I talk to the waiter, they said it's far less headache using Linux since people can't damage the system with viruses or install anything that's garbages.

    Alot people have hazardous surfing habit, clicking anything that's thrown in front of them. "Free porn, download and install this software first" lol. Some internet cafes still using windows must at least use Norton Go Back or ghosting every week or so. That's one repetitive task indeed.

  8. #8
    Just Joined! vwvr9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Penang, Malaysia
    Posts
    26
    I'll have to agree with you stubbe. I guess i'm a bit spoiled here in Malaysia as i can get any software for RM5 which is 1.50USD .

    But In your view what is the best Linux desktop distro?

  9. #9
    Linux Newbie stubbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    143
    Quote Originally Posted by vwvr9
    I'll have to agree with you stubbe. I guess i'm a bit spoiled here in Malaysia as i can get any software for RM5 which is 1.50USD .
    Same thing in indonesia. It is much easier to get *uhum* softwares than linux and FOSS, waay much cheaper also. Getting FOSS in Indonesia could cost you higher than getting even a legal commercial softwares. But I'm afraid this forum forbid this topic .

    Often there're raid on piracy in Indonesia, started with Microsoft indonesia targeted on internet cafes and big companies. First case is a small computer hardware shop. Microsoft charge the owner about $100000 if I remember correctly. And after this case there's a big rush on Linux migration specially on companies and internet cafes. Linux stores which was very quiet before becoming very prosperous. And then suddenly all those linux stores pops up everywhere.

    Ideally people would use 100% legal softwares. But heck this is real world.

    Linux and FOSS' main gate is internet, and internet in Indonesia are plain crap and over expensive with the monopoly policy from government private company PT telkom.

    1 month ADSL with 1 gigabyte limit is about $100, over that you gonna get charged per kb. I read in the newspapers, some customers complain they were charged for over $1000 a month for the bandwidth they never use. Even the customer protection organization got this case ROFLMAO. You decide how stink our internet connection are.

    One of my relative got this kind of case and bluffing back to brought up this case to trial, their staff chickened out and choose to deliberate further and then my relative got to pay only the 1 month abonement.

    Don't even ask about how cable and dialup connection in Indonesia.

    But we are glad that there're some of our people aware of Linux existence and brought up magazines such as Infolinux, wrote books and stuffs. And I got hooked with Linux no matter how expensive the learning steps I have.

    Each week I went to a internet cafe to download FOSS or distros. I also bought infolinux magazine almost every month to get the CDs. Now I'm currently in Brunei, for contract job. They provide me with superfast internet connection wohoo. So no excuse for me for getting away from Linux

    But In your view what is the best Linux desktop distro?
    So far slax is my choice. But Tomaz removed the installer script from 5.1.7b . Guess now I'll have to take a look into its derivative, wolvix instead. I also take a glimpse at dyne:bolic. looking good aswell. But I havent decided yet. If only Tomaz don't remove the script, slax would be my fave.

  10. #10
    Just Joined! vwvr9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Penang, Malaysia
    Posts
    26
    Man internet in Malaysia sucks big time too. Max to home user is 1mb down and 384kb up. What can i do with that? I normally use my lines for torrents.

    well anyway i've been thinkin of distributing linux cds in the asia region but have no clue on how to get it started. You have any advice the area?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •