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When I attended US Navy Nuclear Power School a long, long time ago, they used the entrance exams to divide the students into different sections by ability. And the course material for the advanced sections was more difficult and covered more material than the lower sections. So to get the same grade as someone in the lower section (there were only two sections in my specialty), I had to know more and apply more understanding to the problems.
I think the theory was that they wanted to pack as much knowledge into the brains of future sailors as practical, and they used the entrance exams as a mechanism to know what could be expected of each student. At the time, I was just proud to have made the upper section, but now I view it as a wise use of resources and a wise preparation for defense.
Of course public universities would never be allowed to do that. But public universities throw thousands of the citizens' tax dollars into each student's education. Therefore I believe they have an obligation to know if that use of tax money is justified. And testing is the only real means of knowing who justifies the use of tax resources.
I appreciate drl's view on this one, and join him in saluting Minnesota and Wisconsin.
That's insane. One of my friends who barely passed high school from slacking off so much got a 22 on the ACT. Either he's a damn good guesser or nobody else tried on that test.
Well, way to go Wisconsin I guess.Two levels higher than a newb.
(I can search google)
08-21-2006 #13Originally Posted by KenJackson
I appreciate drl's view on this one, and join him in saluting Minnesota and Wisconsin.Registered Linux user #270181
08-21-2006 #14Originally Posted by Dark_Stang
08-21-2006 #15Originally Posted by techieMoe
Originally Posted by techieMoe
If it's minority performance we are concerned about, the question we need to ask is, how can we encourage better minority performance. If I may be allowed one political observation, the current US administration has a number of ethnic minority people serving in very important positions that serve as role models. I hope this will inspire some minority students to know that they are not being held down and can, in fact, achieve great things.
08-21-2006 #16Originally Posted by KenJackson
This is coming close to be "reverse" racial prejudice. We won't encourage ethnic minorities to do better by changing the tests to suit them. Asian students often do better than white students because Asian students' parents demand good work from them.
If it's minority performance we are concerned about, the question we need to ask is, how can we encourage better minority performance. If I may be allowed one political observation, the current US administration has a number of ethnic minority people serving in very important positions that serve as role models. I hope this will inspire some minority students to know that they are not being held down and can, in fact, achieve great things.Registered Linux user #270181
There are many interesting points in this thread. If anyone is interested in a press release about the current state of UK education, this one is good.
A third of adults in the UK leave school with no basic qualifications. That's a lot of adults! If you read the article carefully it's shocking. I know how those kids feel ...
I hope none of them end up like the short fat bloke who tried to sell me a packet of Viagra in the pub this weekend. Some people are just ... sad!
It's probably bad practice to take sides on here, and this isn't a mutual admiration society but I find that I agree with Moe wholeheartedly about 'teaching people to think for themselves'. That's what education is! If you only set very basic standardised tests it's like saying, 'Well done! You can jump over a 3 inch high fence. Tomorrow we'll teach you to tie your shoelaces. Now away you go into the wide world and make a living ...'I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
We've danced around one issue without really addressing it, so let me just mention it.
I think there is entirely too much government in education today. I see no reason why the US federal government should be involved in pre-college education at all. It is largely to blame for elevating self-esteem above learning to read.
The most important element in teaching is the teacher, not the bureaucrat that ties the teacher's hands.
08-21-2006 #19Originally Posted by KenJackson
The most important element in teaching is the teacher, not the bureaucrat that ties the teacher's hands.Registered Linux user #270181