Steve Jobbs in 'talking out his arse' shocker

[Roxoff]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9...elated&search=

Microsoft buys a chunk of Apple, Apple agrees to use IE as its default browser (to hoots of abuse and booing from the Mac faithful) and even I had a strange urge to throw things at the screen when BG himself showed up. Reminds me of that scene in 'The Empire Strikes Back' when they're all on Bespin and Lando is leading them all through the corridors of the mining facility and says "I've just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here forever", and the doors swish open to reveal Darth Vader, and a table ready for dinner (incidentally, I've still not worked out how Vader gets the pieces of fruit through the front of his helmet).

Anyway, I was digressing. The bit that gets me most is where SJ says categorically 'the Mac plus Microsoft is 100% of the desktop market'. But I've got a desktop computer that runs ONLY LINUX. So Mac + Microsoft must be < 100% of the desktop market, Q.E.D. And I can only guess that there are a few others on these message boards that are in the same situation.

[benjamin20]

well, thats not 10 years old.

[Roxoff]

LOL, I know, but it's great. I actually get visions of the UK government having apoplexy at the time - they'd never get over the investment by the market leader into the markets 2nd biggest player. It'd be referred.

Oh, and I still have a linux desktop, just as I have since 1995. And I still wanna throw things at the screen when BG appears. Suppose I'm kinda sad...

[techieMoe]

Dunno about you guys, but this Apple thingy is going downhill quite sharpish. Microsoft buys a chunk of Apple, Apple agrees to use IE as its default browser
...

Pardon? IE for mac was discontinued 2 years ago. The default browser on all Apple machines is their own, Safari.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...ed-15088.shtml

Anyway, I was digressing. The bit that gets me most is where SJ says categorically 'the Mac plus Microsoft is 100% of the desktop market'. But I've got a desktop computer that runs ONLY LINUX.

Do you honestly believe the CEO of Apple cares? Apple makes their money off hardware. If you buy their hardware and run Linux on it, you've still bought their hardware.

So Mac + Microsoft must be < 100% of the desktop market, Q.E.D. And I can only guess that there are a few others on these message boards that are in the same situation.

Where are you getting all this? Apple hasn't announced any new partnerships or license agreements with Microsoft or anyone else. Why such hatred for the other underdog in the OS market?

[benjamin20]

ya, all these things are from 1997. at that time, the DESKTOP market was completely windows and mac. i think Amiga had already collapsed and os2 was dead. Linux was only like 6 years old. and wasn't much use outside of businesses. oh sure, you could run it on the desktop, but you are mostly hobbying, not really desktoping.

[jordower]

Why such hatred for the other underdog in the OS market?

especially now, seeing as OsX is unix

[drkdick]

ya, all these things are from 1997. at that time, the DESKTOP market was completely windows and mac. i think Amiga had already collapsed and os2 was dead. Linux was only like 6 years old. and wasn't much use outside of businesses. oh sure, you could run it on the desktop, but you are mostly hobbying, not really desktoping.

It sort of depends on your definition of hobbying/desktoping.

Let me see if I recall correctly:

Around 94-95 when I started using linux seriously (slackware+Xfree86) I got practically the same graphical desktop environment at home as at my University (some version of UNIX), so this quickly became my main working environment. Granted, I did most of my papers and my thesis in Latex because I preferred it to the WYSIWYG alternatives at the time, still do occasionally. I also did all development for projects & such on this system. Lots of people I knew (comp.science majors) did the same thing. Shortly after, the Uni. started using linux workstations as well.

By 97 I was working part time as an admin for a medium sized network. All critical servers (mail, dns, web, ...) where running linux (Red Hat at this point) but the internal network was still NT server/workstation based. After some research I replaced the functionality of the NT domain server with a linux machine running an experimental version of samba (turned out to be much less problems than with the NT server). I also had linux workstations installed along the NT ones (I think StarOffice for linux was out by this time) and these quickly became very popular. Had I not moved on to other challenges I would certainly had chucked the NT domain concept completely and gone for "native" linux all out to cut down costs.

...and I'm hardly a pioneer, other people where doing the same thing at the same time.

Given this perspective, the linux desktop has been 'just right' and used productively by a lot of people for quite some time.

[fingal]

No! The most important point is this: how did Darth Vader get all that fruit through the front of his helmet?

Roxoff - did you say 'arse'? Tut.

[Roxoff]

No! The most important point is this: how did Darth Vader get all that fruit through the front of his helmet?

Roxoff - did you say 'arse'? Tut.

lol. Yes, I said Arse. Bollocks, somebody noticed.