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    MS Propaganda


    Can you believe this garbage?

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...234/71e7q.html
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    I just read it. Can't belive people actually take this crap seriously.

    From the article:

    Popular but controversial "open source" computer software, often contributed on a volunteer basis, is often taken or adapted without permission from material owned by other companies and individuals, a study by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution finds.
    Talking about the kernel? Lets see who's right before they claim that SCO owns Linux They are jumping to conclusion, very un-professional.

    The article is full of crap, I hope anyone doesn't take it too seriously. I wounder what would happen by that company if they released a similar report on Microsoft. They would be sued I'd guess

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    The main problem I see with these kinds of articles is that they think "looks like" or "works like" is similar to "is the same"...

    I wonder how many lines of code whoever writes these articles have actually looked at. And even if they did find similarities between them than wtf, there are standard ways of writing code, and why the hell would someone write for example a kernel driver so that it looks like a graphics module??

    This kind of crap makes me start wondering if they want people to obfuscate their code just to make sure that noone suddenly thinks it's too similar to some other code some other guy wrote some other time...

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    system( "mount /soapbox" );

    Pepsi "imitated" Coke. And they have been imitating every product the other has made for years. Can you name a Pepsi or Coke product that the other doesn't have a similar product for?

    Why do we get all the controversy here in the computing world when this has been going on since Capitalism elsewhere in the market?

    1) This is the only place where you find a completely free (beer and speech) alternative

    2) No government (save Massachusettes) has the balls to stand up to Microshaft and tell them that they either A) Practice monopolistic methods or B) Have an inferior product or C) All of the above

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    OK. You guys are probably gonna kill me for this post, but...

    Linux is NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, the most essential part of the OS, but not the only part. Saying that Torvalds did not "invent" Linux is probably not false.

    The name linux is now (2004) not the name of a kernel, but it is the name of a operating system (some distrobutions even name linux-version.tar.bz2 as something like kernelsource-version.rpm). It's kind of funny. Torvalds said in the very beginning that it did not wanted to be big as GNU (which was al ready around for a little of 2 decates). GNU means, "Gnu is Not Unix". Torvalds wanted to make a minix like OS, minix is based on unix. Somewhere along the way, the kernel that Torvalds made (Linux) and everything GNU (compiler, libraries, tools, etc) had sex and produced what is now known as Linux (the operating system).

    Saying that Torvalds did not "invent" Linux (OS) is probably not false. Saying that Trovalds did not "invent" Linux (kernel) is absolute false!

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    Some of what you say is a bit misguided.. simmilar to the article by the "lexis de Tocqueville" group (which is intirely misguided/false/lies). here are two links that should clarify things for you fully:

    1. refutations by the man who ken brown of the lexis de Tocqueville group claimed as a source in his press release.

    http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/followup/

    2. The true begginings of linux (news group posts by linus torvalds - he includes descriptions of his thoughts and plans in cronelogical order in line with the posts)

    http://www.li.org/linuxhistory.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulDemon
    Linux is NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, the most essential part of the OS, but not the only part. Saying that Torvalds did not "invent" Linux is probably not false.

    The name linux is now (2004) not the name of a kernel, but it is the name of a operating system (some distrobutions even name linux-version.tar.bz2 as something like kernelsource-version.rpm). It's kind of funny.

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    Torvalds gets all the credits for Stallmans GNU
    The problem is that as GNU/Linux becomes more mainstream, it has to become simpler as well so non-geeks can understand it. Why they cannot just learn that the "linux" like redhat or suse etc they install on their PC is actually GNU/Linux is mostly becuase they dont really care, dont want to care, or are too stupid to understand. Some people have difficulties with the most basic of concepts, finding out that "suse" is actually a linux kernel and a collection of GNU tools all bundled together would problery be too much for them. maybe becuase thats not how windows is. who knows.

    Its not about Linux getting credit for Stallmans work, no, it about making it simpler, into a marketable product for the mainstream public. 1 thing is easier to explain than 2 things.

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    Q. Which computer software company has previously funded the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution?

    A.

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    I think (and hope) that linux will never become as mainstream as windwoes. Instead what probably should happen is an entirely new OS based on linux/windows or whatever, that simply offers games, internet, office type app and email and a basic level of security augmented by silly apps that this type of user will happily consume. A good name for such an OS might be "LoonZ" or "SpazzX". Linux is not a good enough operating system for the stupid amoung us.

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