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Originally Posted by mizzle After market cooler is a not a bad idea if you want your machine to run a little quieter, but the stock coolers are more than ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mizzle View Post
    After market cooler is a not a bad idea if you want your machine to run a little quieter, but the stock coolers are more than adequate.
    The cooler is adequate if you are not gaming or running intense processing applications. Sure, they will keep it cool under normal person usage, but to keep it cool while compiling all night you need something better.

    Quote Originally Posted by mizzle View Post
    AMD's approach is that processing for x86 applications has plateaued. You won't see much of a real world difference under normal usage of either the A10 or the Phenom II x4 for everyday use. The future of computing is going to rely more heavily on the graphics side of the house, with ever-increasing resolutions, etc.

    I think either approach represents great value, but for normal desktop use I would get the A10.
    You are correct that computing is going to rely heavily on the graphics side, but that time is nowhere near. A lot of games still use the processor for a majority of their processing, because doing so would heat up the video card so much that it would just ignite on the spot.

    Now, until we actually get some graphically intense Linux games, that isn't an issue, but with steam on Linux now, the time will come soon.

    But you are ultimately correct in that processors have plateaued. Most companies that produce processors are trying to make them consume less power and output more heat, and they aren't pushing the envelope anymore with speed and raw processing power. They seem to think more cores is better, and with the programs of the future, they would be correct. Compiling Gentoo on my 8 core FX8120 is a dream, because gcc uses all 8 cores and the kernel is compiled usually within a minute or so. It takes about 10 minutes to recompile gcc itself.

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    So I'm looking at this monitor: eMachines UM.DE2AA.001 E202HLBM 20 Class LED Backlit Monitor - 1600 x 900, 60Hz, 12000000:1 Dynamic, 5ms, VGA, Energy Star at TigerDirect.com
    which is 90 bucks. That included my budget is like $500 or so. I'm willing to go a little over $500 but not too much.

    MOTHERBOARD:
    BIOSTAR Hi-Fi A85W FM2 AMD A85X (Hudson D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
    BIOSTAR Hi-Fi A85W ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com
    --94.99

    CPU + GPU:
    AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7660D AD580KWOHJBOX
    AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7660D AD580KWOHJBOX - Newegg.com
    --129.99

    MEMORY:
    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB
    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB - Newegg.com
    --44.99

    CASE:
    Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, front mounted dual USB 3.0
    Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, front mounted dual USB 3.0 - Newegg.com
    --> 59.99

    HARD DRIVE:

    Toshiba HDKPC03 DT01ACA100 1TB Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 RPM, SATA, 3.5"
    Toshiba HDKPC03 DT01ACA100 1TB Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200 RPM, SATA, 3.5 at TigerDirect.com
    -->$59.99

    POWER SUPPPLY:

    Ultra LSP550 550-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, SLI-Ready, 135mm Fan, Lifetime Warranty w/ Registration
    TigerDirect.com - Electronics, Tablets, Phones, Office Supplies & Video Games
    -->39.99

    All that together is like $520(including the monitor).

    EDIT: I could add another 20-30 dollars for an aftermarket CPU cooler. That wouldn't kill my budget.

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    I will price some things when I get home from school, but I would put the extra money into a much better power supply if it were me. Two things I never skimp the slightest on is the motherboard and the power supply.

    For $100 you can find a better motherboard from either Asus or gigabyte, possibly even a bit cheaper.

    Another thing is that AMD didn't start officially supporting 1866 ddr3 until bulldozer, so you may be able to knock a few bucks off the ram by getting 1600 ddr3. Unless you go in and change the voltage and timings yourself the that ram is going to run at 1600 anyway.

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    You know, I just checked and that mobo is no longer available. although it had epicly amazing reviews.

    I'll find another.

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    Ok so I'm looking at this mobo:
    ASUS F2A85-V FM2 AMD A85X (Hudson D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
    ASUS F2A85-V FM2 AMD A85X (Hudson D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - Newegg.com


    And this power supply:

    SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
    SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Newegg.com

    From looking at memory, dropping to 1600MHz memory modules doesn't save me any money. Also, the ones I picked have good reviews and are from a good manufacturer.

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    Looks like a nice motherboard, and SeaSonic makes some of the best power supplies. I stick to Corsair, SeaSonic, and PCP&C for power supplies. If you plan on adding a high end graphics card later on, I would look at something in the 600W+ range though, because even though that power supply will likely handle a decent single card setup, it will be taxed with a higher end card. I would recommend this power supply as the lowest one to look at: CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Newegg.com

    I realize you are trying to save money, but you don't want to limit your upgrade options by doing so. If your power supply won't handle it, then that is something else you will have to upgrade in addition to the video card, etc....

    I haven't priced memory lately, but it was just something I had to look for when I built my current AMD FX8120 setup. I used Corsair Vengeance 1866 DDR3, and I am running them at 1866. I have used G.Skill before, and they are very good ram modules. I didn't use G.Skill this time because I got the Corsair RAM cheaper than I could the G.Skill. You may want to look around for that, because if you can catch Corsair on sale, I would buy them first, but there is nothing at all wrong with G.Skill.

    I have been building PCs since around 1996, and I have had experience either fixing or using most manufacturers stuff. So far you are doing well picking your hardware, but there are some brands that are better in the long run than others.

    One thing I wanted to note, is that my Motherboard (Asus Sabertooth 990FX) has UEFI and it doesn't have a problem in linux. Everything on the board is supported as well.

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    Yeah that makes sense. I've been doing tons of research so I would hope that I managed to pick out good brands. lol. I don't see myself going too high end with the graphics card but, the one you are suggesting is also only 5 dollars more so I may go with that one. Since my needs are pretty much limited to minecraft, super graphics isn't really that huge of an issue but rather, getting a system that will be upgradably enough to accomidate plently of upgrades to keep it up to par for a good while is my goal. As far as the ASUS motherboard, there is a youtuber who is a linux user and said that the motherboard runs just fine under linux( with video confirmation and all lol). So that should be good.

    Thanks for the great advice! The specs are looking to pretty good so far, in my opinion.

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    SO things have changed, my dad, who is paying for the computer itself(minus the peripherals) just increased my budget to $700.

    Anyways, so I'm still ordering all of this on the 12th but here is my new specs. I switched sockets because the initial budget will now have room to include a decent dedicated graphics card.

    TOTAL: $705.92

    CASE

    Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, front mounted dual USB 3.0
    Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, front mounted dual USB 3.0 - Newegg.com
    -->59.99

    MOTHERBOARD

    ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
    ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - Newegg.com
    -->139.99

    CPU

    AMD FX-4170 Zambezi 4.2GHz (4.3GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4170FRGUBOX
    AMD FX-4170 Zambezi 4.2GHz (4.3GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4170FRGUBOX - Newegg.com
    -->124.99

    GPU

    EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
    EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Newegg.com
    -->149.99

    MEMORY

    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB
    G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB - Newegg.com
    -->54.99

    HARD DRIVE

    Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS Internal Hard Drive - Newegg.com
    -->$74.99

    POWER SUPPPLY

    CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
    CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Newegg.com
    --69.99

    CPU COOLER

    COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible with Intel 1366/1155/775 and AMD FM1/FM2/AM3+
    COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible with Intel 1366/1155/775 and AMD FM1/FM2/AM3+ - Newegg.com
    -->30.99



    Everything looks pretty good to me!
    Any thoughts?

    EDIT: Got the price on the memory wrong.... fixed it!
    Last edited by goldfish777; 03-07-2013 at 11:45 AM.

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    If you are going to get an AMD FX Zambezi, up it to the 8 core. It isn't much more expensive and it will be worth it. I would advise stepping up to Piledriver, but that may not be in your budget without a sale.

    Of course, what you have picked out will work fine also.

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    Yeah, your right, the piledrive is definitely better. I'm switching to the FX-6300 and I'm dropping the EVGA GTX 650 Ti 1GB and going with the MSI GTX 650 1GB instead. My computing needs are geared a little more on the multiitasking stuff over the graphics intensive stuff.

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