help with Crux and X server plz

[einstein910]

ok, I am new to linux. I have used windows all my life. I work in a computer shop fixing windows computers and my lack of linux knowledge has made me feel really stupid today.

I'm sure you all have heard of minecraft. It is a game that is releasing soon and is currently in beta. So I thought it would be cool to host a mc server. > google > found mineOS crux. installed it, works fine and great. BUT, it is a very minimal install that only runs a mc server and a webpage for administration and that's it. I want to install a desktop environment as well (the main goal here). Something light like blackbox or fluxbox or icewm simply for manual file manipulation which the admin page doesn't provide. The problem I am having is that i cant get any of this to install. Hours of googling revealed that on almost any other distro, one may use apt-get and its just that simple. but, crux is limited to prt-get. I can't find the X Server package. I am lost. Again, I don't know linux hardly at all. Please help the newbie lol it will be greatly appreciated.

[jayd512]

Hello and Welcome!

Before you use prt-get, you need to enable ports for packages. They're somewhat similar to software repos for Ubuntu or Fedora.
To enable ports, you need to edit your /etc/prt-get.conf file.
I haven't had a running CRUX install in a bit, but here's a sample of mine from 2.5 if you want to give a look.

# note: the order matters: the package found first is used
prtdir /usr/ports/core
prtdir /usr/ports/opt
prtdir /usr/ports/xorg
prtdir /usr/ports/contrib
prtdir /usr/ports/rehabdoll
prtdir /usr/ports/ecarux
prtdir /usr/ports/yhafri
prtdir /usr/ports/han
prtdir /usr/ports/hnc
prtdir /usr/ports/sepen

# the following line enables the user maintained contrib collection
#prtdir /usr/ports/contrib

If it helps, take a look at this slightly older thread from my installation of CRUX 2.5:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ins...l-problem.html

As I said, it's a little old. But the information should remain relevant.

[einstein910]

well i went to edit my prt-get.conf file and i realized when i opened it up that the line concerning xorg was disabled by a #. i removed it, saved it, updated ports and am currently downloading the xorg package but this is a small victory because i still know very little about what i am doing and will definitely need more help. but thanks for pointing me there jayd512!

[einstein910]

ok, so xorg installed successfully. fluxbox installed successfully. but the x server fails to launch. i figure i haven't configured something right maybe(?)

[einstein910]

the x server fails to launch. i figure i haven't configured something right maybe(?)

yeah, that was it. there were some other packages needed (display drivers i think) that i found by reading the errors. so now when i type "startx" it loads a blank desktop with a mouse pointer and a clock. i initially thought it was frozen but then i noticed the clock was right and kept time. but i can't move the mouse or do anything with the keyboard. i checked for drivers for these and they are installed. now i really don't know what to do.

[jayd512]

Could you post the section of your xorg.conf relating to your mouse or input device?

[Dapper Dan]

einstein910, my congratulations to you for getting this far! CRUX is what is considered a distro for expert users as it is all command line configuration starting from a very minimal install. The mouse / keyboard situation I've run into before but can't remember exactly how I solved it. It has to do with your xorg.conf and making changes there so the system will work properly. Here's mine from my work machine. Perhaps you'll see something here that may help...

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder75)  Tue Dec  8 21:04:28 PST 2009

# File generated by xorgconfig.
#
# Copyright 2004 The X.Org Foundation
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
# copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
# to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
# the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense,
# and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
# Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
# 
# The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
# all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
# 
# THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
# FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  IN NO EVENT SHALL
# The X.Org Foundation BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
# WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF
# OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
# SOFTWARE.
# 
# Except as contained in this notice, the name of The X.Org Foundation shall
# not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other
# dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from
# The X.Org Foundation.
#
# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the xorg.conf(5) man page for details about the format of 
# this file.
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Module section -- this  section  is used to specify
# which dynamically loadable modules to load.
# **********************************************************************
#
# **********************************************************************
# Files section.  This allows default font and rgb paths to be set
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Server flags section.

Section "ServerFlags"
     Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
EndSection




# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Input devices
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Core keyboard's InputDevice section
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Core Pointer's InputDevice section
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Other input device sections 
# this is optional and is required only if you
# are using extended input devices.  This is for example only.  Refer
# to the xorg.conf man page for a description of the options.
# **********************************************************************
#
# Section "InputDevice" 
#    Identifier  "Mouse2"
#    Driver      "mouse"
#    Option      "Protocol"      "MouseMan"
#    Option      "Device"        "/dev/mouse2"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "spaceball"
#    Driver     "magellan"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/cua0"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "spaceball2"
#    Driver     "spaceorb"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/cua0"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "touchscreen0"
#    Driver     "microtouch"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/ttyS0"
#    Option     "MinX"          "1412"
#    Option     "MaxX"          "15184"
#    Option     "MinY"          "15372"
#    Option     "MaxY"          "1230"
#    Option     "ScreenNumber"  "0"
#    Option     "ReportingMode" "Scaled"
#    Option     "ButtonNumber"  "1"
#    Option     "SendCoreEvents"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "touchscreen1"
#    Driver     "elo2300"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/ttyS0"
#    Option     "MinX"          "231"
#    Option     "MaxX"          "3868"
#    Option     "MinY"          "3858"
#    Option     "MaxY"          "272"
#    Option     "ScreenNumber"  "0"
#    Option     "ReportingMode" "Scaled"
#    Option     "ButtonThreshold"       "17"
#    Option     "ButtonNumber"  "1"
#    Option     "SendCoreEvents"
# EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of monitor sections may be present
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of graphics device sections may be present
# Standard VGA Device:
# Device configured by xorgconfig:
# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
# **********************************************************************
# ServerLayout sections.
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present.  Each describes
# the way multiple screens are organised.  A specific ServerLayout
# section may be specified from the X server command line with the
# "-layout" option.  In the absence of this, the first section is used.
# When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section
# is used alone.
# Section "DRI"
#    Mode 0666
# EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"

# The Identifier line must be present
# Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally
# the relative position of other screens.  The four names after
# primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right
# of the primary screen.  In this example, screen 2 is located to the
# right of screen 1.
# Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and
# optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be
# used.  Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and
# "SendCoreEvents".
    Identifier     "Simple Layout"
    Screen         "Screen 1" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
    Option         "AllowEmptyInput" "false"
EndSection

Section "Files"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
# 
# The module search path.  The default path is shown here.
#    ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules"

    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"

EndSection

Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.
# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.
# This loads the font modules
#    Load        "type1"
# This loads the GLX module
#   Load       "dri"
    Load           "dbe"  	# Double buffer extension
    SubSection     "extmod"
    Option         "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
    EndSubSection
    Load         "freetype"
#    Load        "xtt"
    Load         "glx"
    Load         "vnc"
# This loads the DRI module
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

#    Option	"Xleds"      "1 2 3"
#    Option "LeftAlt"     "Meta"
#    Option "RightAlt"    "ModeShift"
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#    Option "XkbModel"    "pc105"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#    Option "XkbModel"    "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "de"
# or:
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "de"
#    Option "XkbVariant"  "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#    Option "XkbOptions"  "ctrl:swapcaps"
# These are the default XKB settings for Xorg
#    Option "XkbRules"    "xorg"
#    Option "XkbModel"    "pc105"
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "us"
#    Option "XkbVariant"  ""
#    Option "XkbOptions"  ""
#    Option "XkbDisable"
    Identifier     "Keyboard1"
    Driver         "kbd"
    Option         "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
    Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
    Option         "XkbModel" "pc104"
    Option         "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver
#    Option "Resolution"	"256"
# Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice. In
# almost every case these lines should be omitted.
#    Option "BaudRate"	"9600"
#    Option "SampleRate"	"150"
# Mouse wheel mapping.  Default is to map vertical wheel to buttons 4 & 5,
# horizontal wheel to buttons 6 & 7.   Change if your mouse has more than
# 3 buttons and you need to map the wheel to different button ids to avoid
# conflicts.
# Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms)
#    Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#    Option "Emulate3Timeout"    "50"
# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice
#    Option "ChordMiddle"
    Identifier     "Mouse1"
    Driver         "mouse"
    Option         "Protocol" "Auto"	# Auto detect
    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
# Mouse-speed setting for PS/2 mouse.
    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button mice
EndSection

Section "Monitor"

# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
#    HorizSync	30-64         # multisync
#    HorizSync	31.5, 35.2    # multiple fixed sync frequencies
#    HorizSync	15-25, 30-50  # multiple ranges of sync frequencies
# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
#    HorizSync       31.5 - 48.5
#    VertRefresh     40.0 - 90.0
    Identifier     "Dell"
EndSection

Section "Device"

# The chipset line is optional in most cases.  It can be used to override
# the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified.
#    Chipset	"generic"
# The Driver line must be present.  When using run-time loadable driver
# modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver
# module.  Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line
# indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section.
# The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices
# this section is intended for.  When this line isn't present, a device
# section can only match up with the primary video device.  For PCI
# devices a line like the following could be used.  This line should not
# normally be included unless there is more than one video device
# intalled.
#    BusID      "PCI:0:10:0"
#    VideoRam	256
#    Clocks	25.2 28.3
    Identifier     "Standard VGA"
    Driver         "vga"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    BoardName      "Unknown"
EndSection

Section "Device"

    Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
    Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"

    #VideoRam    131072
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
    Identifier     "Nvidia 7300 LE"
    Driver         "nvidia"

EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier     "Screen 1"
    Device         "Nvidia 7300 LE"
    Monitor        "Dell"
    DefaultDepth    24
    Option         "NoLogo" "false"
    Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
    Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
    Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd"
    SubSection     "Display"
        Viewport    0 0
        Depth       24
        Modes      "1280x960"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

CRUX is the fastest distro I know of and will make an excellent MineCraft server, however, as this is your first foray into the world of Linux, it may be worth considering going with a more beginner friendly distro like Xubuntu or Mint LXDE for a MineCraft server. Watch out for the Creepers...

[einstein910]

thanks guys, i haven't tried this fix yet because i had to reload the machine and i haven't had a whole lot of time lately. but as soon as i have the chance, i will let y'all know if it worked or not. also, is there a way to find global ip? on a computer with a functioning GUI, i can go to whatismyip.com and thats prettymuch it. but what about this situation?

thanks!

[jayd512]

If you mean finding your own IP address, two ways to do it.
First, in a terminal do ifconfig -a.
If you're behind a router, though, you can login to the router to find your public IP.

[einstein910]

global ip?
thanks!

i know how to find local ip but not global. in other words, i can access the server on my home network by using the ip the router assigns it. but i cannot access it from the outside world because i don't know how to find how the rest of the world references it. anything that begins with 192.168.xxx.xxx is not global: it is router-assigned ip.

the question is, can i use some service i have no knowledge of to ping something (or something) and it return my global ip? i believe that is what "whatismyip.com" does...