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Originally Posted by Explorer I am currently using Ubuntu edgy 6.10 and it is a gnome desktop, working a bit faster than winXP. But I am not sure that a ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer
    I am currently using Ubuntu edgy 6.10 and it is a gnome desktop, working a bit faster than winXP. But I am not sure that a KDE like mepis will remain, after the user installs all the packages, as fast as it seems just after installation.
    As to "important things for a common desktop PC user", I am eager to get more clarification.
    I have never experienced any major slow down from installing additional packages after installation. I have had a version of Mepis installed since 3.3.1. I no longer use it as my main desktop system but I have a computer here that I use for storage and as a kind of file server. It runs Mepis and I haven't had any problems at all with it. The beta's are looking solid so when 6.5 goes final I will be updating to that. Looks like it will be the best Mepis too date.

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    Red face Clarification

    First of all, the most of new Linux users are comming from Windows. It must be said that it is a very comfortable environment for lazy people: Insert disk, click setup.exe, next - next-.... And use the application. Therefore if we want to involve more people into Linux world, we must offer them something similar.
    Things that 95% want are:
    - picture handling apps (like ACDSee) - GQview
    - listen to music (MP3, .wav) its done with MEPIS - my favorite is Xmms
    - watching .avi and DVD movies ( well, in Mepis it's easy to download all required packages for Xine and MPlayer)
    - office stuff (writing letters, documents etc.)
    - image manipulation (GIMP)
    - drawing graphics (Xara, Inkscape)
    - Burning CD-s and DVD's
    - Conversion of audio and video files
    - Easy access to the internet
    - Working drivers for all hardware

    In my opinion, maybe 5% shall want programs for developement. People are afraid to use Konsole, cos they don't know what to type, and why to type instead of just clicking buttons. Configuring the system is fun only for advanced users, but not at all for newbies.
    Mepis has approached this description on the best way.
    Was I clear ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by minthaka
    First of all, the most of new Linux users are comming from Windows. It must be said that it is a very comfortable environment for lazy people: Insert disk, click setup.exe, next - next-.... And use the application. Therefore if we want to involve more people into Linux world, we must offer them something similar.
    Things that 95% want are:
    - picture handling apps (like ACDSee) - GQview
    - listen to music (MP3, .wav) its done with MEPIS - my favorite is Xmms
    - watching .avi and DVD movies ( well, in Mepis it's easy to download all required packages for Xine and MPlayer)
    - office stuff (writing letters, documents etc.)
    - image manipulation (GIMP)
    - drawing graphics (Xara, Inkscape)
    - Burning CD-s and DVD's
    - Conversion of audio and video files
    - Easy access to the internet
    - Working drivers for all hardware

    In my opinion, maybe 5% shall want programs for developement. People are afraid to use Konsole, cos they don't know what to type, and why to type instead of just clicking buttons. Configuring the system is fun only for advanced users, but not at all for newbies.
    Mepis has approached this description on the best way.
    Was I clear ?

    Well said!

    Jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by minthaka
    First of all, the most of new Linux users are comming from Windows. ...........
    In my opinion, .......... Configuring the system is fun only for advanced users, but not at all for newbies.
    Mepis has approached this description on the best way.
    Well I think I should say you have been more clear than you were. Yet I'd ask for more clarification for this part:
    Configuring the system is fun only for advanced users, but not at all for newbies.
    Mepis has approached this description on the best way.
    Of the two sentences the first seems to be a proposition of which the second seems to be a consequence.
    I ask you to explain how MEPIS has approach to configuration on "the best way".

    Cheers

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    First of all, the installation:
    In live mode you just have to press the MepisInstall icon on the desktop and after 5-6 clicks and 10 minutes you'll have installed basic system. While it installs you can use your live system normaly.
    The second point, the installed components:
    You have KDE as only preinstalled desktop. Considering that that's the most popular environment today it's a good choice.
    You have all your partitions mounted to /mnt. No manual settings needed.
    You have KwikDisk in quicklaunch so you can easily access all of partitions.
    A wide range of internet tools and multimedia tools is at hand.
    In fact you don't need to configure anything, except the connection.
    Taking to account that Ubuntu is far not so easy to use, I think you'll understand what I mean.
    Third point, recovery:
    In live mode you have two recovery options, one for the X and one for GRUB. Normaly that should be enough. You can restore the default options and run system.
    That's all
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    Mepis stability

    >>>> "I'd like to have a survey of how long everyone has been running mepis without having major problems and longest without rebooting?" <<<<

    This particular machine running SimplyMepis6 was turned on, online, used mostly by me though on occasion by many others including elem.school kids, or generally left basically unattended for up to days at a time, 24/7 for over 8

    SimplyMepis6 is the most stable Linux distro I have used so far...And, everything (on this machine anyway) "just works". There are no issues....

    I am one of those 95% folks who just want stuff to work, I don't do code.....I just run it......

    I like trying new distros and software, just because I guess....

    I run 2GB RAM (but I want MORE!) this allows me to have run more than several various and sundry programs, 4 browsers on 4 separate desktops with 19 windows with 113 tabs open, all at the same time without ever a slowdown or a crash. I rarely close a window, or for that matter, I rarely close anything anymore.

    I really like VectorLinux 5.8 and Knoppix 5.1 a lot too, and there are quite a few others I like a lot as well. I have lots of distro's and add more weekly. I try a lot, some of which I really like, for at least a little while anyway. It seems though, that after a week to ten days on my new favorite distro, and I am always back to SimplyMepis.

    If it loads and runs on your machine, SimplyMepis6 is quite simply, the best there is.

    Your experience and opinion may be somewhat different than mine. I say "Try them all"!!

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    Stability

    Yes, Mepis is stable indeed. More than Ubuntu, which Im using on my net-PC.
    Unfortunately it is not going to be free anymore as I saw in Mepis 6.5 RC2s licence agreement. The only things I dislike in Mepis is bad CD\DVD - ROM handling ( jammed trays, opening only with eject /dev/hdc), and the lack of international filename support. I think, most of this problems are derived from KDEs consistent filesystem concerned bugs. Still it is the nr. 1 distro for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minthaka
    Unfortunately it is not going to be free anymore as I saw in Mepis 6.5 RC2s licence agreement.
    That doesn't sound good. Can you explain what has changed? I haven't tried any of the 6.5 RCs.
    WARNING: I may be telling you more than I know !

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    Explanation

    Well, if have tried Mepis 6.0, you could see some messages during the insatllation process. Warren was thanking to everybody for help and contribution, even to the Debian and Ubuntu teams.
    With 6.5 RC2 all that's gone. Instead of that you have an implicit message that Mepis is not a "freeware" although it may contain some OpenSource parts.
    And at the end of the process there's another warning, that you ought to visit the Mepis Store and pay for your copy.

    In my opinion nothing relevant has changed in the new version except the Beryl make-up and the built in ntfs-3g support.

    The greatest weaknesses like the missing support for international file names (I "Simply" cannot open files with international characters in their names) and instable USB, CD and DVD handling (jamming trays) remained.
    That's my evaluation of the coming release.
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    Well I didn't try any of the RC' s but here' s roughly the license comments for 6.5.00.

    -the thanks to the debian and ubuntu teams is still there at install time.

    -there is a "not freeware" warning. The way I read this is it's aimed at anyone who might try to redistribute for financial gain.

    -Warren Woodfords main income comes from users afaik. Asking for people to consider spending at the Mepis store is not out of line. If you don't ask you don't get.

    The complaint about how mepis deals with devices is very valid. Something inherited from ubuntu dapper apparently. An experienced mepis user learns to adapt. Hard to guess how new users deal with this.
    WARNING: I may be telling you more than I know !

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