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Old 05-05-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Missing disk...

One of my disks pulled a Houdini (vanished).

We had an electrical storm last night. The computer was off, but it was plugged in.

It has 3 disks, each has OS's on it. 2 will boot, but the 3rd "does not exist", says GRUBloader.

If the machine powered off without proper dismount, would this be the result? How would I fix this?
Below is hardware, RED highlight is the question...
Code:
chucknb@chucknb-desktop:~$ lshw
WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
chucknb-desktop           
    description: Computer
    width: 32 bits
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       physical id: 0
     *-memory
          description: System memory
          physical id: 0
          size: 1011MiB
     *-cpu
          product: AMD Sempron(tm)
          vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
          physical id: 1
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: 6.8.1
          size: 1050MHz
          width: 32 bits
          capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 0
             size: 128KiB
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 1
             size: 256KiB
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: nForce2 IGP2
          vendor: nVidia Corporation
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: c1
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 66MHz
          configuration: driver=agpgart-nvidia module=nvidia_agp
        *-memory:0 UNCLAIMED
             description: RAM memory
             product: nForce2 Memory Controller 0
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 0.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.1
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz (15.2ns)
             configuration: latency=0
        *-memory:1 UNCLAIMED
             description: RAM memory
             product: nForce2 Memory Controller 4
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 0.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.2
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz (15.2ns)
             configuration: latency=0
        *-memory:2 UNCLAIMED
             description: RAM memory
             product: nForce2 Memory Controller 3
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 0.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.3
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz (15.2ns)
             configuration: latency=0
        *-memory:3 UNCLAIMED
             description: RAM memory
             product: nForce2 Memory Controller 2
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 0.4
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.4
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz (15.2ns)
             configuration: latency=0
        *-memory:4 UNCLAIMED
             description: RAM memory
             product: nForce2 Memory Controller 5
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 0.5
             bus info: pci@0000:00:00.5
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz (15.2ns)
             configuration: latency=0
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: nForce2 ISA Bridge
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
             version: a4
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
        *-serial
             description: SMBus
             product: nForce2 SMBus (MCP)
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 1.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.1
             version: a2
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: cap_list
             configuration: driver=nForce2_smbus latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=i2c_nforce2
        *-usb:0
             description: USB Controller
             product: nForce2 USB Controller
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
             version: a4
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ohci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=ohci_hcd
        *-usb:1
             description: USB Controller
             product: nForce2 USB Controller
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 2.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.1
             version: a4
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ohci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ohci_hcd latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=ohci_hcd
        *-usb:2
             description: USB Controller
             product: nForce2 USB Controller
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 2.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.2
             version: a4
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ehci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=ehci_hcd
        *-network
             description: Ethernet interface
             product: nForce2 Ethernet Controller
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 4
             bus info: pci@0000:00:04.0
             logical name: eth0
             version: a1
             serial: 00:e0:4c:ba:36:9f
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: bus_master cap_list ethernet physical
             configuration: broadcast=yes driver=forcedeth driverversion=0.61 latency=0 maxlatency=20 mingnt=1 module=forcedeth multicast=yes
        *-multimedia
             description: Multimedia audio controller
             product: nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP)
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 6
             bus info: pci@0000:00:06.0
             version: a1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=Intel ICH latency=0 maxlatency=5 mingnt=2 module=snd_intel8x0
        *-pci:0
             description: PCI bridge
             product: nForce2 External PCI Bridge
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 8
             bus info: pci@0000:00:08.0
             version: a3
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master
           *-storage         THE MISSING DISK IS ON THIS CARD
                description: RAID bus controller
                product: PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller
                vendor: Silicon Image, Inc.
                physical id: 8
                bus info: pci@0000:01:08.0
                version: 02
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: storage bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=pata_sil680 latency=32 module=pata_sil680
           *-network
                description: Wireless interface
                product: AR2413 802.11bg NIC
                vendor: Atheros Communications Inc.
                physical id: a
                bus info: pci@0000:01:0a.0
                logical name: wifi0
                version: 01
                serial: 00:14:78:ed:a5:b7
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: bus_master cap_list logical ethernet physical wireless
                configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath_pci ip=192.168.0.103 latency=168 maxlatency=28 mingnt=10 module=ath_pci multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11g
        *-ide
             description: IDE interface
             product: nForce2 IDE
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 9
             bus info: pci@0000:00:09.0
             logical name: scsi2
             version: a2
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ide bus_master cap_list emulated
             configuration: driver=pata_amd latency=0 maxlatency=1 mingnt=3 module=pata_amd
           *-cdrom:0
                description: CD-R/CD-RW writer
                product: CR-4804TE
                vendor: MITSUMI
                physical id: 0.0.0
                bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
                logical name: /dev/cdrom2
                logical name: /dev/scd0
                logical name: /dev/sr0
                version: 2.6C
                serial: [MITSUMI CR-4804TE       2.6C
                capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw
                configuration: ansiversion=5 status=open
           *-cdrom:1
                description: DVD reader
                product: DVD D  DH16D2P
                vendor: ATAPI
                physical id: 0.1.0
                bus info: scsi@2:0.1.0
                logical name: /dev/scd1
                logical name: /dev/sr1
                version: HP55
                capabilities: removable audio dvd
                configuration: ansiversion=5 status=open
        *-pci:1
             description: PCI bridge
             product: nForce2 AGP
             vendor: nVidia Corporation
             physical id: 1e
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
             version: c1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master
           *-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]
                vendor: nVidia Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
                version: a3
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 66MHz
                capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=nvidia latency=248 maxlatency=1 mingnt=5 module=nvidia
  *-scsi
       physical id: 1
       bus info: scsi@4
       logical name: scsi4
       capabilities: scsi-host
       configuration: driver=usb-storage
chucknb@chucknb-desktop:~$
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Old 05-05-2009   #2 (permalink)
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If the machine powered off without proper dismount, would this be the result? How would I fix this?
No. "Dismount" is a filesystem operation (data) and has nothing to do with the physical operation/status of the HDD. If the drive doesn't show up in a HW or BIOS scan, it's toast.
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BIOS scan? Is this a function of BIOS [setup] configuration? Or a function of GRUB?

EDIT:
I've never seen it in BIOS, it's on a Raidbus (PCI) card. It's not on Primary IDE master or slave, or secondary IDE master or slave.
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BIOS

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The initial function of the BIOS is to identify, test, and initialize system devices such as the video display card, hard disk, and floppy disk and other hardware.
GRUB is a bootloader and nothing more.
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Other post edited...

EDIT:
I've never seen it in BIOS, it's on a Raidbus (PCI) card. It's not on Primary IDE master or slave, or secondary IDE master or slave.
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Nearly any bootable card will post following the motherboard's BIOS initialization - I have never seen one that doesn't. Most also have an option to enter the configuration menu for the card as well during initialization.

Google is your friend.

Silicon Image 0680 Docs

From "medley manual:"

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Creating and deleting RAID sets is a function found in the BIOS. During bootup, the following message
will appear, pausing for a few moments to allow the user to choose what to do:
Press F3 to enter RAID utility
This indicates that the card does post and does show up following the motherboard's BIOS routines.
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Raid function IS recognized, so card is recognized.

Now, I've pulled the disk, plugged it into an external USB enclosure, powered up, and the disk spun up. Plugged it into another machine, powered THAT machine up, and the GRUB menu from the EXTERNAL disk displayed.

SO, since the RAID function was recognized on the other machine, it is either a faulty molex connector (PSU), OR, a bad IDE cable).

No testing besides switching parts, I presume...
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Yup - just like Houdini - it's re-appeared again in the original machine.

Plugged it back in, and GRUB loaded up like nothin' ever was wrong.

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Many "wierd" things can happen electrically.

It could be that the card is failing, it could be that the HDD is failing, or it could be a random strange event and it runs fine for years to come.

I would watch the messages file for any HW messages and turn on the SMART daemon to make sure the HDD is monitored.
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Something similar happened to me this weekend. We had a lengthy power failure and after some time my UPS shut off, resulting in a hard power down of the system, while I was in the process of shutting it down rationally of course. Fortunately, the damage to the file systems was repairable, but for some reason the USB hub in one of my monitors got toasted. I had to spend about 3 hours on the line with Dell to convince them that the USB hub was indeed toast and they need to send me a new monitor (it's still under warranty, fortunately). I'm thinking of sending them a bill for wasting my time...
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