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Originally Posted by fingal Originally Posted by sarumont Have you run the W3C validator on it? It's very interesting to see how non-standards compliant some sites are just to be ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fingal
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    Have you run the W3C validator on it? It's very interesting to see how non-standards compliant some sites are just to be compatible with IE. I personally try to keep myself W3C valid, flaunt it and tell IE to screw off.
    Not yet, though I intend to - I'm worried about it as then I'll have to reassess what I'm doing. I don't want to be completely reliant on IE, but I'm not kidding myself: after all it is still the dominant browser, and I want people to read about Linux (and other stuff) ... Then there's the issue of version 4 browsers not being fully CSS compliant. That might well be 'screw off' territory

    The javascript works very well, so thanks again. I don't think much of Konqueror as a browser though ... my font sizes are too large in there.
    IE only comprises about 62% of the surfing community (just read it on a NF story). The word is getting out...

    As per your later comment, I think that fully standards compliant pages are not necessarily boring. They can look damn good. I personally hate big flash navigation things, sites that have all this crap that's supposed to look good and be easy to navigate. It's crap. Give me google. Simple, clean interface. I see less ******** and get to the point of my journey to said website.

    What's it all come down to? Personal preference. Most people in the world could care less if a site is simple and easy to use. They'll navigate the most horrendous flash nav. or even a well-designed one without doing more than muttering. They won't complain to the webmaster that the site isn't simple and clean because they are A) visual people or B) unaware that it could be any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarumont
    As per your later comment, I think that fully standards compliant pages are not necessarily boring. They can look damn good.
    Great! I'm still on a learning curve with this, and I'm finding it satisfying to be this creative again The site will be simple, rely on good typography (some people may beg to differ, but type is IMHO very important ... obviously for content, but also for graphical effect). It's taken me ages to get even this far, because I couldn't think what kind of content to include. In the end I thought, 'Use things you know about'. Looked at like that, it's easier ... everyone knows about something

    Validation will come last ... I have a lot of work to do as I tend to be a perfectionist where my own 'output' is concerned.
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    Fingal,
    have you checked out the CSS Zen pages, for inspiration?

    http://www.csszengarden.com/

    It shows various pages that only use CSS as there formatting. They are most definately not boring.

    have fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerderello
    Fingal,
    have you checked out the CSS Zen pages, for inspiration?

    http://www.csszengarden.com/

    It shows various pages that only use CSS as there formatting. They are most definately not boring.

    have fun

    Nerderello
    I am not worthy!! My site is nothing like that. Thanks though, that's stunning :o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerderello
    try this :-
    Code:
    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="../base.css" >
      <script language="JavaScript">
      if &#40;navigator.appName.indexOf&#40;'Microsoft'&#41; != -1&#41;
      	document.write&#40;'<link href="../baseMS.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">'&#41;;    
      </script>
    The link statement is the default css (ie. for browsers that are W3C compliant) and the script overwrites this if the browsers is one of Uncle Bills delights. It goes into the header part of your pages.

    have fun

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    A nicer solution can be found here. This does not require JavaScript, and allows you to distinguish between IE 5, 5.5 and 6. (each one has it's own set of CSS bugs)

    If you like to design your site cross browser, and you're using CSS: start testing in firefox. Firefox is the most compliant CSS browser. Once your site works, try working around the bugs IE 5, 5.5 and 6 have. IE treats margins and widths completely differently for example, and floats have obscure problems too. Another solution is using simple CSS code off course

    Here are some interesting links to study more:
    - http://www.positioniseverything.net/
    - http://www.positioniseverything.net/piefecta-rigid.html
    - http://www.alistapart.com/
    - http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/
    - http://www.communitymx.com/content/a...989953B6F20B41 (Tan Hack)
    - http://www.sam-i-am.com/work/sandbox..._ie5_hack.html (Commented backslash hack)
    - http://www.communitymx.com/content/a....cfm?cid=C37E0 (Internet Explorere CSS bugs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdboor
    A nicer solution can be found here. This does not require JavaScript, and allows you to distinguish between IE 5, 5.5 and 6. (each one has it's own set of CSS bugs)
    Thanks very much for your post! I've got some studying to do with all this information - Still, I think that means the end result will be a lot better. You've all really helped me to get very interested in CSS: I think it's the way to go.

    My site - as far as its got - looks okay in Firefox. My code is quite simple, so not bad in IE 6 either. The earlier versions - ie. IE 5 and family - might be tricky, as I haven't looked at those yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by fingal
    Thanks very much for your post! I've got some studying to do with all this information
    You're welcome, and thank you for your enthousiasm.

    Quote Originally Posted by fingal
    The earlier versions - ie. IE 5 and family - might be tricky, as I haven't looked at those yet
    There is some way to install those browsers at the same system , but I don't have the link to a tutorial about that. I believe it has something to do with changing a key in the registry.

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