Where and how can I remove...

[jmadero]

Hi All,

I'm trying Fedora again....I had a bad last experience with it and have been running Ubuntu (or one of it's derivatives) for the last few years. Seems like most of the issues I was having have been worked out BUT where the hell are these programs in the package manager:

Konquerer
Kopete
etc...

I want to get rid of them, I prefer firefox, pidgin, and a lot of other non KDE things so I want to remove those. Even when I run yum remove kopete it tells me that the package doesn't exist.

Thanks all

[reed9]

I don't believe Fedora uses modular kde packages, so kopete is all bundled up in the kdenetwork package.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgd...671ac5e8c8817a

[jmadero]

that's just dumb....totally takes away the freedom which is open source. So if I remove that whole package, what kinds of things am I going to lose? From the name it kind of looks like my wi-fi...

[Rubberman]

These are components of KDE. I presume you are running KDE? If not, then you can remove KDE and its components. Konqueror is the KDE file manager, though it also works as a web browser. You can change your default web browser to Firefox (I have). Kopete is the KDE instant messaging (IM) tool. I use Pidgin instead - not a problem.

Anyway, since they are packaged with KDE, you can't remove them singularly. You would have to remove KDE in its entirety. As I said, if you are running KDE, then you can't get rid of them, but you CAN change your preferences so they are only run if you want them to.

[jmadero]

interesting...thanks for the FYI...I guess I just disagree with that then. Why would a instant messanger be packaged with an OS and not be removeable? Gnome doesn't do that....empathy is the new instant messanger with Ubuntu but you can remove it and replace it with pidgin easy enough....seems like a waste of space and a way to quickly clutter a OS...but who knows, I'm just an end user

[Rubberman]

I don't necessarily disagree with you. That's just the way it is, at this point in time. However, the space they take up is minimal, and the logic, I would supposed, is that you might want to try these tools out - perhaps to find you prefer them. At least you can configure your system to give preference to the tools of your choice, though I would agree that doing that can be a PITA.

[reed9]

Well, it's not entirely the way it is. Arch used to have monolithic KDE packages, which in part gave rise to KDEmod, a modularized KDE (before they became Chakra). And the official Arch KDE packages are split as of 4.3, though, so kopete, for example, is a nice and neat little package, kdenetwork-kopete.

So it is a choice distros make.

The link I posted lists the components of the group.

Networking applications, including:
* kget: downloader manager
* kopete: chat client
* kppp: dialer and front end for pppd
* krdc: a client for Desktop Sharing and other VNC servers
* krfb: Desktop Sharing server, allow others to access your desktop via VNC

[daark.child]

that's just dumb....totally takes away the freedom which is open source. So if I remove that whole package, what kinds of things am I going to lose? From the name it kind of looks like my wi-fi...

It doesn't take away your freedom at all. Use a distro that does not do monolithic KDE packages. KDE groups apps into "modules" and many distros build the entire module without splitting the apps (monolithic), so you have to uninstall an entire module if there are apps you do not want from there. Other distros take the time to split the module into individual apps, so its easier to uninstal the apps you do not use. For me, this is why I prefer openSUSE and Mandriva because they split KDE modules.

[Rubberman]

Well, I agree that more fine-grained modularization is a good thing. Unfortunately, not everyone is using a distribution that does it that way. On my CentOS system, the number of "optional" kde packages is small. The kdegames package is just about the only one you can remove without munging the system in some way or other.