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i have a real interesting proble been searching for hours and i just dont understant whats wrong.
i get this hetious error when ti tried to start apache by doing ...
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cant start my apache server?
i have a real interesting proble been searching for hours and i just dont understant whats wrong.
i get this hetious error when ti tried to start apache by doing this 'apchectl start'
here is the error
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Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
(9Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
no listening sockets available, shutting down
however if i run
'nmap localhost' i get this
Not shown: 1656 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE
1/tcp open tcpmux
21/tcp open ftp
22/tcp open ssh
23/tcp open telnet
25/tcp open smtp
37/tcp open time
53/tcp open domain
80/tcp open http
111/tcp open rpcbind
139/tcp open netbios-ssn
445/tcp open microsoft-ds
514/tcp open shell
543/tcp open klogin
631/tcp open ipp
689/tcp open unknown
780/tcp open wpgs
811/tcp open unknown
873/tcp open rsync
2049/tcp open nfs
2601/tcp open zebra
3128/tcp open squid-http
3306/tcp open mysql
5555/tcp open freeciv
5900/tcp open vnc
which as you can tell it says port 80 is being used buy http??? then why the hell im getting this error? i just dont get it . what im i doing wrong? help please!!!
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Try:
apachectl status
or
ps ax | grep httpd
or
netstat -anp | grep -i listen | less
One of these will tell you if apache is already running. It sounds to me like either:
1. Apache is already running
2. Some other web server is running.
Either way, by finding the process that is binding to port 80, you'll know whatw/hy you cant start apache.
Might be apache is already running. Or it might be some other process you can kill in order to start apache.
Hope that helps.
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here is the output i get it has port 80 as -
Originally Posted by hunter_thom 
what those that mean i dont understand what i could possibley be doing wrong?
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:768 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3132/rpc.rquotad
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2208 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2894/hpiod
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:514 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:675 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2613/rpc.statd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:37 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:873 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2601 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2628/zebra
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3256/mysqld
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3400/smbd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5900 0.0.0.0:* LIST
:
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:768 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3132/rpc.rquotad
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2208 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2894/hpiod
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:514 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:675 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2613/rpc.statd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:37 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:873 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2601 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2628/zebra
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3256/mysqld
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3400/smbd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5900 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3892/vino-server
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:40494 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2578/portmap
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5555 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3346/dc_server
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3501/dnsmasq
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:23 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3084/cupsd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3128 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3360/(squid)
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3292/sendmail: acce
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3400/smbd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3098/xinetd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:799 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3164/rpc.mountd
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:799 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3164/rpc.mountd
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2207 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2899/python
tcp 0 0 :::53 :::* LISTEN 3501/dnsmasq
tcp 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3075/sshd
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6025 2053/iscsid @ISCSIADM_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11789 3782/gam_server @/tmp/fam-root-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11916 3854/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-EtwnHWElBJ
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7004 2628/zebra /var/run/quagga/zebra.vty
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10079 3256/mysqld /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10280 3328/dc_client /var/cache/mod_ssl/distcache
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13103 3964/gam_server @/tmp/fam-miguel83-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6011 2047/brcm_iscsiuio @ISCSID_UIP_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10658 3466/avahi-daemon: /var/run/avahi-daemon/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6997 2628/zebra /var/run/quagga/zserv.api
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6443 2384/audispd /var/run/audispd_events
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7384 2783/hald @/var/run/hald/dbus-HKyAHnko3H
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7149 2672/dbus-daemon /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7232 2693/sdpd /var/run/sdp
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10442 3391/xfs /tmp/.font-unix/fs7100
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7313 2754/pcscd /var/run/pcscd.comm
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11244 3587/gdm-binary /tmp/.gdm_socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7338 2764/acpid /var/run/acpid.socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11274 3685/Xorg /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11868 3820/ssh-agent /tmp/ssh-oEQGFH3784/agent.3784
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11937 3860/gconfd-2 /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f14-0-3cda23c3b330e
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11946 3784/gnome-session /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-ec8-0-701e8586c9afd
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11563 3758/nscd /var/run/nscd/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12152 3784/gnome-session /tmp/.ICE-unix/3784
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12161 3863/gnome-keyring- /tmp/keyring-LUzcKm/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12180 3865/gnome-settings /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f19-0-3191fc5749591
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12267 3885/bonobo-activat /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f2d-0-4bf6b1e7ce9d8
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13068 3958/mapping-daemon /tmp/mapping-miguel83
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12300 3890/metacity /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f32-0-7ee08bf6d5c5a
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12317 3892/vino-server /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f34-0-5f118baff173a
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12361 3896/gnome-panel /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f38-0-24071f2511f76
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12394 3898/nautilus /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3a-0-24071f251b6b3
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12417 3906/gnome-vfs-daem /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f42-0-7197ce7224332
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12424 3909/gnome-volume-m /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3c-0-24071f252a374
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12491 3915/bt-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f4b-0-412241660523
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12943 3902/eggcups /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3e-0-24071f25bbf97
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12993 3924/nm-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f54-0-3229ed4cd0360
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12956 3935/gnome-power-ma /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f47-0-24071f25bdc14
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 8993 3084/cupsd /var/run/cups/cups.sock
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13036 3950/wnck-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f6e-0-8740d9261499
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13040 3948/trashapplet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f6c-0-8740d9265c45
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13090 3920/python /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f50-0-5a386feaedc6e
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13166 3981/clock-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f8d-0-700a3d50dc86d
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13181 3979/notification-a /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f8b-0-700a3d50e511a
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13196 3983/mixer_applet2 /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f8f-0-700a3d50ea049
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13298 3990/notification-d /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f96-0-515064d1e1b67
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13376 4022/gnome-screensa /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-fb5-0-6c444f8d88c81
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7385 2783/hald @/var/run/hald/dbus-UqWJCLmVrm
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10234 3310/gpm /dev/gpmctl
(END)
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2207 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2899/python
tcp 0 0 :::53 :::* LISTEN 3501/dnsmasq
tcp 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3075/sshd
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6025 2053/iscsid @ISCSIADM_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11789 3782/gam_server @/tmp/fam-root-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11916 3854/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-EtwnHWElBJ
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7004 2628/zebra /var/run/quagga/zebra.vty
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10079 3256/mysqld /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10280 3328/dc_client /var/cache/mod_ssl/distcache
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13103 3964/gam_server @/tmp/fam-miguel83-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6011 2047/brcm_iscsiuio @ISCSID_UIP_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10658 3466/avahi-daemon: /va
:
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2207 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2899/python
tcp 0 0 :::53 :::* LISTEN 3501/dnsmasq
tcp 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3075/sshd
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6025 2053/iscsid @ISCSIADM_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11789 3782/gam_server @/tmp/fam-root-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11916 3854/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-EtwnHWElBJ
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7004 2628/zebra /var/run/quagga/zebra.vty
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10079 3256/mysqld /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10280 3328/dc_client /var/cache/mod_ssl/distcache
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13103 3964/gam_server @/tmp/fam-miguel83-
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6011 2047/brcm_iscsiuio @ISCSID_UIP_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10658 3466/avahi-daemon: /var/run/avahi-daemon/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6997 2628/zebra /var/run/quagga/zserv.api
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 6443 2384/audispd /var/run/audispd_events
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7384 2783/hald @/var/run/hald/dbus-HKyAHnko3H
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7149 2672/dbus-daemon /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7232 2693/sdpd /var/run/sdp
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10442 3391/xfs /tmp/.font-unix/fs7100
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7313 2754/pcscd /var/run/pcscd.comm
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11244 3587/gdm-binary /tmp/.gdm_socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 7338 2764/acpid /var/run/acpid.socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11274 3685/Xorg /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11868 3820/ssh-agent /tmp/ssh-oEQGFH3784/agent.3784
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11937 3860/gconfd-2 /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f14-0-3cda23c3b330e
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11946 3784/gnome-session /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-ec8-0-701e8586c9afd
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 11563 3758/nscd /var/run/nscd/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12152 3784/gnome-session /tmp/.ICE-unix/3784
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12161 3863/gnome-keyring- /tmp/keyring-LUzcKm/socket
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12180 3865/gnome-settings /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f19-0-3191fc5749591
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12267 3885/bonobo-activat /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f2d-0-4bf6b1e7ce9d8
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13068 3958/mapping-daemon /tmp/mapping-miguel83
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12300 3890/metacity /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f32-0-7ee08bf6d5c5a
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12317 3892/vino-server /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f34-0-5f118baff173a
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12361 3896/gnome-panel /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f38-0-24071f2511f76
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12394 3898/nautilus /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3a-0-24071f251b6b3
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12417 3906/gnome-vfs-daem /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f42-0-7197ce7224332
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12424 3909/gnome-volume-m /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3c-0-24071f252a374
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12491 3915/bt-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f4b-0-412241660523
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12943 3902/eggcups /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f3e-0-24071f25bbf97
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12993 3924/nm-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f54-0-3229ed4cd0360
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 12956 3935/gnome-power-ma /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f47-0-24071f25bdc14
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 8993 3084/cupsd /var/run/cups/cups.sock
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13036 3950/wnck-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f6e-0-8740d9261499
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13040 3948/trashapplet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f6c-0-8740d9265c45
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13090 3920/python /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f50-0-5a386feaedc6e
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13166 3981/clock-applet /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f8d-0-700a3d50dc86d
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13181 3979/notification-a /tmp/orbit-miguel83/linc-f8b-0-700a3d50e511a
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Please use code tags when posting outputs of commands, it'll preserve formatting.
Anyway:
Someone is listening on port 80, but the output doesn't specify who or what.Code:tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
Perhaps you can try this:
It should give the name and PID of the process that's occupying the http port.Code:ss -po state listening '( sport = :http )'
And for curiosities sake, you could try this:
and then type:Code:telnet serverip 80
Press [enter] twice.Code:HEAD / HTTP/1.0
You should get something similar to:
Code:% telnet localhost 80 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. HEAD / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:41:50 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.16 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.14 X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.14 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html Connection closed by foreign host. Connection: close Content-Type: text/html Connection closed by foreign host. %
Can't tell an OS by it's GUI
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man this is so frustuating Originally Posted by Freston
here is the output i wich i new what is holding the port up? here is the output of those commands but nothing seems to be glaring back at me.
Code:[root@new-host ~]# ss -po state listening '( sport = :http )' Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address:Port Peer Address:Port 0 0 *:http *:* [root@new-host ~]# telnet serverip 80 serverip/80: Name or service not known [root@new-host ~]# HEAD / HTTP/1.0 200 OK Content-Length: 934 Content-Type: text/html Last-Modified: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:38:53 GMT Client-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:17:37 GMT 200 OK Connection: close Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:17:45 GMT Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1 Content-Length: 1074 Content-Type: text/html Client-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:17:38 GMT Client-Peer: 208.94.146.81:80 Client-Response-Num: 1
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just to make sure, this part:
I take it this is a copy/paste error? Originally Posted by miguel83
And that you ran
From the serverCode:telnet localhost 80
or substituted 'serverip' with the IP address (or hostname) of the server if ran from a client?
Because if that's not the case then you may have found your telnet command went to your ISP's default [URL not found please click on one of these ads] page that I have my own private opinion about
... nevermind, run it again while you are logged into your server:
Code:telnet localhost 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.0
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...and that's all she wrote? This is weird. One thing I can think of, is somehow SELinux preventing you from reading the process table? To SELinux it doesn't matter that you're root. Please post output of (on server, as root): Originally Posted by miguel83
Code:id -Z
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response from telnet localhost 80
this is strange. I even try to unistall and reinstall apache to see if i can get it to work. i also had another idea you think this might anything to so with IPtables?Code:[root@new-host ~]# telnet localhost 80 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host.
thanks for helping me out with this. I never thought my learning curve was going to be so steep from windows. I really appreciate your time and help with this.
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Strange.... yes. Or perhaps, just ununderstood. But you gave me an idea... Originally Posted by miguel83
See if something is listening on port 80 when Apache's definitely certified to be down.Code:service httpd stop ss -po state listening '( sport = :http )'
Well, that telnet thing.... oh, no, if it was IPtables, it would have never connected. But by the default it should certainly not block out connections from localhost to localhost. Originally Posted by miguel83
You're welcome! Originally Posted by miguel83
Haha, don't underestimate! Just remember that the other way around is just as difficult. It's just like learning a new language Originally Posted by miguel83 
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The weird thing to me is not that port 80 is blocked, because that can happen, but that both netstat and ss don't specify who, what or why it's blocked. I never came 'round to asking what your distro is. Can you elaborate on that?
Also, because your output from netstat is so very long, I take it you did a full install with all options and all extras? I'm wondering if it can be that some other webserver is listening on port 80.Can't tell an OS by it's GUI
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ok so here is the result from the above if im not mistaken does this mean http is not running?
Code:[root@new-host ~]# ss -po state listening '( sport = :http )' Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address:Port Peer Address:Port 0 0 *:http *:*
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No, that means that something /is/ running. Yell at it: Grrrr http down! Down http! Down!
And then please take some time to answer my other questions Can't tell an OS by it's GUI
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