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    i can believe it.. i was looking at that page and they're a memeber of TRUSTe.. which to me suggests that they have M$'s .... firmly embedded in their ...
    Their code will be beautiful, even if their desks are buried in 3 feet of crap. - esr

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    Hmmm... it seems that the same thing is happening to me. I just tried sending a mail to an old hotmail address of mine, and it still hasn't arrived, and my logs also show that they accepted the message. I'm getting the feeling that they might be implementing some new policy to block all end-user ISP IPs. I will investigate this matter further.

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    I got a message back and the Very nice person at MS asked for some basic info regarding my mailserver and basic routing info to see if they can track down the problem. I will post more when I get the next reply

    here's what they asked:
    These answers will allow us to begin to investigate the matter and find
    any possible problems and solutions.

    1) What is the IP address of your mail server?

    2) What kind of bounce-back messages do users get?

    3) Do your SMTP logs show any failed transactions? If so, could you
    please include them inline in your response.

    4) Can you telnet to port 25 of mx1.hotmail.com from your mail server?
    How about mx2, mx3, or mx4?

    5) Can you traceroute to 216.32.183.201 from your mail server?

    6) What OS and MTA are you using on your mail server?

    7) What are some of the accounts that you are sending to?

    Also, please send an example of a typical mail sent from your system
    to two accounts, bla@hotmail.com and bla@hotmail.com.



    I answered everything and sent it back ... I'll let you know what I get back.
    Wish me luck

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    This is the same mail as I receive.

    Let's see.


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    I havehad this happen before when I was running a mail server out of my home. The issue is that some of the blackhole lists block the "Private IP's" from various ISP's. I have talked with some of the people that maintain these lists and they are not willing to removed the IP's from their banned lists.

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    I mailed to msnhst@microsoft.com yesterday, and I haven't got a reply yet. How fast did you guys get your replies, and what mail addresses did you send the mails from?

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    Well, I sended them the second message before they mailed me back.

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    This is exactly what I got back:

    "Thank you for contacting MSN Hotmail. With the help of the detailed
    troubleshooting information you have provided, we have determined that the
    message in question, the message sent at 5:49 - the nonSquirrelmail, has been
    blocked by an MSN Hotmail filter deployed to stop unsolicited e-mail. Like many
    other e-mail service providers, MSN Hotmail uses filtering methods to stop
    unsolicited e-mail. Consumers have told us that stopping unsolicited e-mail is
    a top priority and because our #1 goal is pleasing our customers, we are
    employing technology that helps protect them from unsolicited e-mail"

    As well as a LONG explanation of their "Bonded Sender" program like virgil66ro said.
    Now I jumped to the conlusion that this meant all of my email would be filtered and sent back an email. I was upset that they would blacklist me altogether but they quickly wrote me back and explained that ONE of my messages had been found and filtered. They said: "More testing would have to be done, to ascertain whether this extended domain wide. "

    So I have sent a few more tests and since its the weekend haven't heard anything back yet ... I'll post more as I get the answers

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    Please do. I still haven't received a reply at all, but I guess it might be because it's during the weekend. I will wait a bit longer.

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