Suse 10.0 and Thailand

[eskojm]

Has anybody else spend some time in Thailand.
I have ADSL via True company and I am not able to get any communication with
Internet.
All I got from TRUE to be able to couple my Linux to their server was:
IP address
Sub net mask
DNS 1
DNS2
Gateway
addresses.
Password and User name they don't use because it is automatic according to them. I have no idea what they are and don't seem to be able to find them out or dont't want to give to me.

ADSL line works fine with Windows XP Pro.
I am not good at Linux, but I like it and I have used Suse in Germany, Sweden, Finland and USA without problems to get into Internet.
I have asked other Thai ISPs if they support Linux but they don't even know what Linux is.

Another problem, nothing to do with ADSL.
I have 2 printers.
HP photosmart 7830 and HP Laserjet 1020.
They are not listed in SuSe installation but Photosmart works fine as a Photosmart 7750.
However Laserjet is problem. I have installed it as Laserjet 1015, 1022,1100,etc but it is totally dead, though SUSe says that Laserjet seems to
have no problems.

Anybody who has any ideas what to do?

Eskojm

[Amano]

If you're connecting to an ISP, there must be a user name and password. Also, even though they may not know what Linux is, it doesn't matter, since a network configuration basically requires the same things, regardless which OS you use.

Try going into the Yast control center, choosing network connection, then network devices. There, you should be able to enter parameters (IP address, default gateway, etc.) to get your connection working.

[oldcpu]

Has anybody else spend some time in Thailand.

I lived in Thailand from 1997 to 1999. Installed my first Linux (Red Hat-4.0) in mid-1998 on an old Compaq LTE-5200 laptop (120MHz with 84MB RAM) and I had it running on the Internet, with dial up (PCMCIA modem), with no problem with a Thai ISP. ADSL wasn't heard of in those days (as a service the regular person in Thailand could access).

I have ADSL via True company and I am not able to get any communication with Internet.

I find it hard to believe that there is no password nor username. My wife is Thai, is very computer literate, and still has many friends in Thailand. I'll ask her if she has heard of such a scheme .... It may take a while to get answer.

[eskojm]

Thanks Amano and Oldcpu,

Thanks for your replies.
With your help I've got my SuSe 10.0 running in net.
The fact is that I have no user name and no password.
I am living in a big condo in Pattaya, about 600 apartments.
We are about 20 people who have ADSL from TRUE company.
None of us has an user name or a password. I have no idea how it is arrenged. When my ADSL line was installed I asked for user name and password and got an answer that all that is automatic.

Like I wrote before that I am an user of Linux not know very much about the technical side. Windows I had to use daily because of my work. So Linux became a freetime hobby.

My problems today are: how to get Laserjet 1029 to work with SuSe and the problem is that I have 2 hdisks in my computer. The smaller one C: there are Windows and Suse Installed.. On bigger drive D: 200GB there are maybe 80GB Windows stuff. Photos,etc..
!00GB I would like to have for SuSe but I don't know what to do. WHen I try partitioning with SuSe I get always a warning that If I am an expert and know what I am doing I might go on. otherwise no.
Partition Magic 8.0 says that nothing can be done with disk D:
Any advice?

Kind Regards ....Eskojm

[oldcpu]

With your help I've got my SuSe 10.0 running in net.

Does this mean you are now on the internet with your SuSE-10.0?

The fact is that I have no user name and no password. I am living in a big condo in Pattaya, about 600 apartments. We are about 20 people who have ADSL from TRUE company.

This suggests to me that they have a condo wide router that logs you (and everyone else in the condo) on to ADSL, and it distrubutes the TCP/IP via a switch or hub (probably a switch) to all 20 condo users. Hence all one needs to do is plug their PC into an ethernet outlet, and one has Internet. But it also means all 20 people are sharing the same high speed internet connection.

Of course, if my "guess" is correct, this begs the question, do they have a router protecting all 20 people from the Internet? If so, it can make it difficult to open any special ports. My guess is they don't have a firewall (or if they do, it is turned off) and it is up to each individual user to have their own firewall.

My problems today are: how to get Laserjet 1029 to work with SuSe

Just go to YaST > HARDWARE > Printer and configure it. ... One thing about HP-LaserJets, if using a parallel port, there was a bug in SuSE-10.0 (cups ??? ) wrt some motherboards, that when one used the test function (to print) under YaST, it would print a page, but refuse any other print jobs. But if one rebooted (most un-linux like reaction) then the HP-Laserjet would work. Whether this applies to you, I have no idea. I don't even know if you use a parallel port.

and the problem is that I have 2 hdisks in my computer. The smaller one C: there are Windows and Suse Installed.. On bigger drive D: 200GB there are maybe 80GB Windows stuff. Photos,etc.. !00GB I would like to have for SuSe but I don't know what to do.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to do.

C: has two partitions? (one for Windows, and one for SuSE).
D: is 200Gbytes, with 80GBytes in use, and 120GB free. And you want to install a 2nd copy of SuSE and keep the current copy?

[eskojm]

Hi oldcpu,

Yes, now I am on the internet with Suse 10.0.

I am also wondering about the secrecy in internet in this condo, but ISP RTUE gives no answers. I have emailed them 3 times without getting an answer to some questions.
They don't really care, the most important thing to them is the monthly bill 1500 THB.

My Laserjet 1020 uses USB port and nothing happens when I try to print out the test page. No print outs, no blinking lights.
And SuSe says that your printer seems to work without problems????
Though I use USB port I might try the re-boot method.

Well this last thing about hdisks.
I let YAST do all the partitioning automatically.

C disk is 80 GB and D disk is 200GB.
Yast used only the first disk hda C for SuSe.
For windows both were formatted ntfs disks.
Now there are Windows and SuSe in C disk.

D disk (hdb) is untouched by Suse. There are about 80 GB data, photos etc...,
so about 120GB is free.
About 100GB I wanted to use for SuSe.

But when I try partitioning i get an answer that it is impossible because the files cannot be moved.
However once I got an answer that if I am an expert and know what I am doing I could continue with partitioning.
Well, I am not an expert and did not dare to continue.
Today I don't really know what to do. I'd like to have 100GB more to SuSe,
but my knowledge of Linux is not enough.
With partition Magic 8.0 I got also a negative answer.
Cannot move files or something like that.

I'd be thankful for any ideas or advice.

Eskojm

[oldcpu]

Yes, now I am on the internet with Suse 10.0.

OK, glad that is sorted.

My Laserjet 1020 uses USB port and nothing happens when I try to print out the test page. No print outs, no blinking lights. And SuSe says that your printer seems to work without problems???? Though I use USB port I might try the re-boot method.

No, the "reboot" method is NOT for a USB, it is VERY unlinux like, and is only for certain motherboards, when using a centronics parallel port, with an HP-Laser-Jet. Normally with Linux, one does NOT reboot to solve a problem (unlike windows). As for SuSE saying "that your printer seems to work without problems", I think you misread that. SuSE asks the user to confirm this.

I suspect you have the wrong driver selected. I recommend you go through the YAST > HARDWARE > PRINTER setup again, be certain to select the correct driver. If you can't print a test page under YaST, there is no point in trying anyting else, until that is working.

Well this last thing about hdisks.
I let YAST do all the partitioning automatically.

C disk is 80 GB and D disk is 200GB.
Yast used only the first disk hda C for SuSe.
For windows both were formatted ntfs disks.
Now there are Windows and SuSe in C disk.

D disk (hdb) is untouched by Suse. There are about 80 GB data, photos etc...,
so about 120GB is free.
About 100GB I wanted to use for SuSe.

Before I reply, a note about linux naming convention. "hd" stands for hard drive. Hence "hda" means "hard-drive-a". Hence "hda1" means "hard-drive-a, partition-1". Please check, as you probably have an hda1, hda2, and hda3, where one is your windows partition, one is your SuSE swap partition, and the other is your SuSE "/" (slash or root) partition.

Note the Linux, for hard drives, start at "a" (as opposed to windows which starts at "C:"). Note that for a floppy, linux calls it fda (for "floppy drive a"), as opposed to windows which calls it "A:".

OK, then from what I understand, you have both SuSE and Windows on your C: drive. That is what SuSE typically does by default, and to prevent that, you should have done something different during your initial installation (ie you needed to go to the expert settings).

If you want to put SuSE on your hdb (ie "windows D:" drive), then the easiest way is to re-install SuSE. Trying to "move" an OS (such as linux) is difficult, has complications, and it exceeds my level of knowledge. Try and do that with MS-Windows, and you will understand what I mean.

The re-install program will immediately detect you have SuSE on hdax (ie drive c), where x is the partition number on hda. So you will have to go into the "expert" part of the partitioning, and tell SuSE to install both your new "swap" drive, and your "SuSE drive" on hdb (which should be your d: drive in windows terminology). You will also need to carefully specify the size of the hdb partitions hdb1, hdb2, hdb3, etc ... and don't mess up the sector assignment. Actually, if it was me, I would create 3 Linux partitions on your hdb (D: drive), with
- a Linux swap partition (about double the size of your RAM, so if your RAM is 512mb, I would make it 1GByte),
- a Linux "/" partition (known as slash or root by some), of around 15GBytes in size, and
- a Linux "/home" partition of around 60 to 64 GBytes in size
and from reading your post, you still want a Windows data partition on your hdb (D: drive), so that would be a fourth 120GByte partition.

If you are successfull in this, you will have two SuSE's. One on hda (windows c: ) and one on hdb (old windows d: ). You can then remove the SuSE on hda (and you can do that later. ... you need be careful how you do that).

Note you can tentatively set up your partitions (but not commit - ie stop the installation), record the exact details of what you are trying to do, and then post it on a forum like this, for the linux experts to pour over your plan, and give you a quality control/critique, to ensure it doesn't get messed up.

And a final note. BACK UP ALL important data before you start. This is important, in case things get screwed up.

Good luck.

[p.s. .... another installation method is to physically remove C: drive, and then install SuSE on your D: drive, and then put the C: drive back in, and then use the SuSE rescue cd/dvd to fix all the messed up SuSE settings because you have changed drives (such as grub, the mbr, etc...). Its complicated, it may involve changing hardware master/save settings, and other complexities, and I don't like that method, but some users think its a good way to do things]

[eskojm]

Thanks for your replies and advices.

Now I got Windows XP running alone on hda.
The whole hdb is partitioned about like you wrote with some modifications,
so now I have 200GB on hdb for SuSe 10.0

Now I got only the printer problems because neither of my printers are listed on SuSe 10.0 printer list. But I hope to get an answer from HP what to do,
I have spent at least 10 hours trying different drivers to my printers.

One funny thing happens every now and then. (no question). Sometimes
when I start Linux I get a question about user name and password.
I reboot and get in to Linux without any question. ISP (TRUE company)
have no idea because nobody has a user name or password. Anyway they say so.

I am sorry that I have poured my beginner's questions on expert forum.
I hope to find a forum which is morew suitable to my level.

Thanks again for advices.

Kind Regards......eskojm

[oldcpu]

Now I got only the printer problems because neither of my printers are listed on SuSe 10.0 printer list.

Do you have the rpm "hplip" installed?

Sometimes when I start Linux I get a question about user name and password.

Can you be more specific as to the precise question you get? I doubt that it has anything to do with your ISP.

As for this being an experts forum, ... well, I don't think this forum is intended to be that restrictive. It is a forum for all SuSE users.

[eskojm]

Hi again,

What happens is that instead of coming directly to desktop to KDE
I get a black screen with plenty of text.

The last line is like this:

True: # user name ?

The question swallows any user name I give to it and the next question is password.
True is the name of ISP and I've tried with space and root password and with my own password. All I get is an answer : "you are funny"
That goes on forever, but after reboot I get direct to KDE.

About "hplib" I am not sure, but I'll check it now.
I got an answer from HP that they don't support Linux.

Thanks again...eskojm