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  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by joebowhunter View Post
    I am not dual booting, I am running ubuntu 10.10 as my full os, and yes it is a lighter version than the desktop version. I installed the windose game wile having only ubuntu as my os. I also have 110gb of free space on my hard drive. I am not sure of the partitions, could you eplain what that is? I also do not understand your 4th question.

    If the question os too much I can just try to figure it out on my own. I don't mean to upset people with confusing questions
    Partitions and the 4th question were related to dual booting. Since you are not, question has been answered.

    As I said before, I don't use POL, but I do use WINE. If I load something into WINE, it's available on the APPLICATIONS -> WINE -> PROGRAMS menu or I would have to BROWSE for it on the WINE C: drive. If you have ever used WINE, you should recognize these menu clicks.

    This is the way open forums work. You get advice from people who may not have done what you are doing. So you need to try things and post complete information on what happened in order to get more assistance. You aren't upsetting me and I hope I'm not upsetting you, but I'm no different than you - I'm just some guy playing with his computer. I'm not a paid support specialist for WINE, POL or anything else. The advice you get from me is at least worth what you paid for it.

    So, if what I said above isn't helpful, then I need to know EXACTLY what you meant when you said, "I installed the windose game wile having only ubuntu as my os." Does that mean, "I stuck a Windoze disk in my Linux box, I then used the browser to find and execute the Windoze install function", or does it mean, "I launched POL and used it to install the game?" Answers to these kind of basic questions helps people help you.

  3. #13
    Question is what sort of games are you trying to play. If it's a small ones, try the software center (I think it's in applications).

    However if you're serious and tying to play things like CODMW, Crysis* etc... you gotta be serious, you NEED windows installed (and not in virtualbox), i.e you'll be FORCED to use Windows (or you have to donate to Bill Gates) to be able to play the game.

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    Hi, Jbh, I'm newer then new, being less then an hour old. I'm shiny new on Ubuntu, but I'm older then dirt on computers. So I'm going to hit the ground slithering and give you a quickie on Standard computer file structure nominclature.
    Bits make bytes ( Or they did this morning. I fear waking up one day and finding out the have become drips and dribbles) Anyway bits are packaged into bytes. They in turn are assembled into files. Those files go into folders. Folders go into directories. ( Microsuks calls their directories folders) Directories are on your HD. There are some differences, but that is pretty basic. Partitions are normally seperate areas on your hard drive. Some times they are logical partions that exist for you. In a logical partition the BIOS( computer) keeps track of what is where so a logical partition is just another way to organise files. On some systems, there are physical partitions. In those your BIOS places a physical part of the HD off limits for certain types of files. Normally that is done because different file structures are in use. I have no idea which scheme is used by ubuntu. That is why I'm here.

    I used to teach and as a short cut to get them up to speed to where they wanted to know the whys and hows, I had them think of all the various names as different ways to organise data. Remember a program ( a special sort of file) needs to find other files to work. By organising the files into a structure, you speed up things. Fast is good. Faster is better.

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by dE_logics View Post
    However if you're serious and tying to play things like CODMW, Crysis* etc... you gotta be serious, you NEED windows installed (and not in virtualbox), i.e you'll be FORCED to use Windows (or you have to donate to Bill Gates) to be able to play the game.
    He has a point. I don't know anything about Dragon Age, but one thing I do know for sure: Most of the modern copy-protection schemes are hardware based, i.e. it uses a timing function based on how long it takes windoze to read a track to confirm that you have the original disk in your hard drive. Linux is not going to be able to answer the copy protection, so the system will assume you have a pirated copy of the game. It would be best if you searched out someone who has used Dragon Age on Linux to confirm it's possible to play it before you spend a lot of time bashing your head against a brick wall.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by typos_R_US View Post
    I have no idea which scheme is used by ubuntu. That is why I'm here.
    You get to choose. Standard, at least IMNSHO is ext3. There is also ext2, ext4, and the various PeeCee ones are available if you want to use them. ext4 did not exist when I got started and I have chosen to not worry about it. (I've got 13 TB under Linux and I'm not about to convert that just for the fun of it.)

    Of the remaining two, ext2 is faster and ext3 is safer. I chose ext3 for my boxes.

  8. #17
    OK, I wasn't being precise, for which I apologize. In what used to be called a Physical Partition, A specific section of the HD was reserved, say sector xx to sector yy, tracks xxx to yyy. In what was called a Logical Partition, the entire HD was available for I/O operations, the BIOS would track what was where. Physical Partions were faster, Logical Partitions were more Space efficient. This was back in the day when a 20 meg HD was the size of a trash can, state of the art and a sourc of envy. A mount Command was a notice to the Processing Room operators that a 9 track magnetic tape was going to be required and they needed to walk over to the vault and get it.
    As long as I got you here.... The machine I'm using has a CD/DVD reader AND a reader/writer ( burner, I think it's called nowadays) I cannot figure out how to have both devices "mounted" at the same time. At least I think that's my problem. One was is called CDR/0, the other CDR/1 . I'm trying to load an ancient game called Medieval Total War. It is a 2 CD intstall.
    I'm using Ubuntu 10.4 LTS ( I think that is what it says) and I just patched up my WINE 1.2.2 IIRC. Wine doesn't do multi CD install, or at least that is the impression my reading gives me. So I was trying for a work around along the lines of a 'assign' command. That led me to the discovery that apparently I can only have 1 CD device at a time 'mounted'. That doesn't sound right, what am I missing?

  9. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by typos_R_US View Post
    OK, I wasn't being precise, for which I apologize.
    Hey, I got my first computer in 1977, an 8k PET. Back then, people would ask, "What are you going to do with all that memory? No one can write a program that big." Spent just over 10% of my GROSS annual income that year buying it. No hard drives or even floppies back then - everything was on cassette or paper tape. I remember the 1st Commodore HD that was released a few years later - $3000 for 5 megabytes. I was one of the operators who hung the tapes in the computer center.

    I also run 10.04 LTS, although I haven't upgraded WINE to the level you have. I'm headed for work shortly, so I don't have time to actually ANSWER your myriad of questions, but let me make some suggestions:

    1) Use your favorite search engine for the terms "grub" (Linux bootloader) and the filesystems ext2, ext3, and ext4. I'm sure you'll find everything you want to know about disk-based FSs there.

    2) You can mount more than one CD, but the way WINE works, it can't install from multiple CDs using the same drive like a PeeCee can. With a PC, you eject the disk and put in a new one, but the Linux can't unmount a CD with the install script still running on it. What you can do is take an ISO of each disk and store them in your machine. Then you can mount them simultaneously and get the installs to work. I did that on Baldur's Gate II, which is still one of my favorite games to play. If you search for it, you should find a multi-ISO install procedure which you can adapt to whatever it is you are doing. Also, IIRC, you have to tell WINE what LINUX CDs are equivalent to PC ones - it assumes you only have 1 and it's CDROM0, but if you tell WINE you have more, then it can mount them simultaneously. (I.e. CD0 = D:, CD1 = E: or whatever. It's possible to install a game this way and skip the ISO playing.)

    3) I've got Medieval Total War myself, but haven't played it for years. Still there is a site which maintains a list of settings to use with PC games and WINE. Can't remember, but if you enter WINE, settings and the game name in a search window, it shouldn't be difficult to come up with.

    After you've gone through this, maybe I can offer more focused suggestions.

  10. #19
    Thanks, the GRUB thingie sounds like the clue I was seeking.
    I think the main difference today is terminology. I struggle to relate the new terms with the old ones. I've been running Ubuntu for about 6 months and I think I have hit the wall for self instruction. Lots of data and support, it's just the age old problem of what you don't know you don't know. Sorting thru mountains of data for the critical nugget.

  11. #20
    Terminology isn't really that different. Depending on what you have been doing, you should be able to translate most of it. (I.e. unless you've either been out of the industry or locked in a server closet with a roomfull of IBM 370/158s to look after, you should.)

    GRUB is what the M$ Dos boot wants to be when it grows up. GRUB can launch anything, unlike M$ Boot which still pretends that if it's not M$, it doesn't exist.

    As far as the "wall" I understand. Unix always had a steep learning curve, but people didn't get into it unless they really wanted to. Ubuntu took a lot of the stuff people had to look up, type in, and hope and resolved it, so it's more of a shock when you finally have Ubuntu working and realize what a huge step it is to get any smarter from there.

    For example, I am fairly sure there is a way I can create a DVD that contains the current version of Ubuntu I am running with all the apps I have installed into it. That would give me a better recovery vehicle than a backup of a 1TB system. haven't worked out how it's done ... yet.

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