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    [SOLVED] Unable to detect Wireless Network Connections


    Hello, I apologize if this is repetitive. If the answer is in another thread, please point me to it. I'd like to say that I've been searching through Google, as well as through this forum and ubuntuforums.org to find an answer, but I'm having no luck. Either I'm finding the answer and I just don't get that I have, or the search results pertain to something different. It's probably because I just don't get it, I'm trying though. Hopefully the information below will be helpful. I appreciate the help.

    HP Pavilion dv5000 laptop

    Code:
    00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge [1002:5950] (rev 01)
    	Kernel modules: ati-agp
    00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge [1002:5a3f]
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    00:05.0 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge [1002:5a37]
    	Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    00:13.0 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller [1002:4374]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    00:13.1 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller [1002:4375]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    00:13.2 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB2 Host Controller [1002:4373]
    	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
    00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 SMBus Controller [1002:4372] (rev 11)
    	Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
    	Kernel modules: i2c-piix4
    00:14.1 IDE interface [0101]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 IDE Controller [1002:4376]
    	Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
    00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge [1002:4377]
    00:14.4 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge [1002:4371]
    00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller [1002:4370] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: ATI IXP AC97 controller
    	Kernel modules: snd-atiixp
    00:14.6 Modem [0703]: ATI Technologies Inc SB400 AC'97 Modem Controller [1002:4378] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: ATI IXP MC97 controller
    	Kernel modules: snd-atiixp-modem
    00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration [1022:1100]
    00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map [1022:1101]
    00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller [1022:1102]
    00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1103]
    	Kernel driver in use: k8temp
    	Kernel modules: k8temp
    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) [1002:5955]
    	Kernel modules: radeonfb
    06:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 [AirForce 54g] 802.11a/b/g PCI Express Transceiver [14e4:4319] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
    	Kernel modules: ssb
    06:04.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller [104c:8031]
    	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
    	Kernel modules: yenta_socket
    06:04.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller [104c:8032]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci1394
    	Kernel modules: firewire-ohci, ohci1394
    06:04.3 Mass storage controller [0180]: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller [104c:8033]
    	Kernel driver in use: tifm_7xx1
    	Kernel modules: tifm_7xx1
    06:04.4 SD Host controller [0805]: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller [104c:8034]
    	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
    	Kernel modules: sdhci-pci
    06:06.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
    	Kernel driver in use: 8139too
    	Kernel modules: 8139too, 8139cp
    lspci -knn:

    Code:
    00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge [1002:5950] (rev 01)
    	Kernel modules: ati-agp
    00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge [1002:5a3f]
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    00:05.0 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge [1002:5a37]
    	Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    00:13.0 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller [1002:4374]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    00:13.1 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB Host Controller [1002:4375]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    00:13.2 USB Controller [0c03]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 USB2 Host Controller [1002:4373]
    	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
    00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 SMBus Controller [1002:4372] (rev 11)
    	Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
    	Kernel modules: i2c-piix4
    00:14.1 IDE interface [0101]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 IDE Controller [1002:4376]
    	Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
    00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge [1002:4377]
    00:14.4 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge [1002:4371]
    00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller [1002:4370] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: ATI IXP AC97 controller
    	Kernel modules: snd-atiixp
    00:14.6 Modem [0703]: ATI Technologies Inc SB400 AC'97 Modem Controller [1002:4378] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: ATI IXP MC97 controller
    	Kernel modules: snd-atiixp-modem
    00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration [1022:1100]
    00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map [1022:1101]
    00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller [1022:1102]
    00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1103]
    	Kernel driver in use: k8temp
    	Kernel modules: k8temp
    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) [1002:5955]
    	Kernel modules: radeonfb
    06:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 [AirForce 54g] 802.11a/b/g PCI Express Transceiver [14e4:4319] (rev 02)
    	Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
    	Kernel modules: ssb
    06:04.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller [104c:8031]
    	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
    	Kernel modules: yenta_socket
    06:04.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller [104c:8032]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci1394
    	Kernel modules: firewire-ohci, ohci1394
    06:04.3 Mass storage controller [0180]: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller [104c:8033]
    	Kernel driver in use: tifm_7xx1
    	Kernel modules: tifm_7xx1
    06:04.4 SD Host controller [0805]: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller [104c:8034]
    	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
    	Kernel modules: sdhci-pci
    06:06.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
    	Kernel driver in use: 8139too
    	Kernel modules: 8139too, 8139cp
    lsusb:

    Code:
    Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
    Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
    Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1241:1166 Belkin MI-2150 Trust Mouse
    Bus 002 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module]
    Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
    lsmod:

    Code:
    odule                  Size  Used by
    usbhid                 42336  0 
    rfkill_input           12800  0 
    binfmt_misc            16776  1 
    radeon                342816  2 
    drm                    96296  3 radeon
    ppdev                  15620  0 
    bridge                 56340  0 
    stp                    10500  1 bridge
    bnep                   20224  2 
    joydev                 18368  0 
    lp                     17156  0 
    parport                42220  2 ppdev,lp
    arc4                    9856  2 
    ecb                    10752  2 
    snd_atiixp             24204  4 
    snd_atiixp_modem       20360  0 
    snd_ac97_codec        112292  2 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem
    ac97_bus                9856  1 snd_ac97_codec
    snd_pcm_oss            46336  0 
    snd_mixer_oss          22656  1 snd_pcm_oss
    b43                   131484  0 
    snd_seq_dummy          10756  0 
    snd_pcm                82948  5 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
    snd_seq_oss            37760  0 
    mac80211              217208  1 b43
    pcmcia                 44748  0 
    snd_seq_midi           14336  0 
    snd_rawmidi            29696  1 snd_seq_midi
    pcspkr                 10496  0 
    snd_seq_midi_event     15104  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
    snd_seq                56880  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
    snd_timer              29704  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
    snd_seq_device         14988  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
    cfg80211               38032  1 mac80211
    tifm_7xx1              13824  0 
    snd                    62628  18 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
    ati_agp                14988  0 
    led_class              12036  1 b43
    tifm_core              15900  1 tifm_7xx1
    k8temp                 12416  0 
    soundcore              15200  1 snd
    snd_page_alloc         16904  3 snd_atiixp,snd_atiixp_modem,snd_pcm
    shpchp                 40212  0 
    agpgart                42696  2 drm,ati_agp
    input_polldev          11912  1 b43
    psmouse                61972  0 
    i2c_piix4              18448  0 
    yenta_socket           32396  1 
    rsrc_nonstatic         19328  1 yenta_socket
    pcmcia_core            43540  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
    sdhci_pci              15232  0 
    sdhci                  23940  1 sdhci_pci
    serio_raw              13316  0 
    btusb                  19608  2 
    video                  25360  0 
    output                 11008  1 video
    8139too                32128  0 
    8139cp                 27776  0 
    mii                    13312  2 8139too,8139cp
    ohci1394               38576  0 
    ieee1394               94660  1 ohci1394
    ssb                    41220  1 b43
    fbcon                  46112  0 
    tileblit               10752  1 fbcon
    font                   16384  1 fbcon
    bitblit                13824  1 fbcon
    softcursor              9984  1 bitblit
    uname -r:

    Code:
    2.6.28-11-generic

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    06:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 [AirForce 54g] 802.11a/b/g PCI Express Transceiver [14e4:4319] (rev 02)
    Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
    Kernel modules: ssb
    This is your card. The driver is the b43 which is loading, but you need extra non-free firmware for it to work.

    If you have a wired connection do
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
    Say yes when it asks to download and install firmware.

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    Ok great. Thank you for your help! I installed firmware. What should my next steps be? If you know of a thread that outlines the steps that would be great! Again I appreciate the help : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmest05 View Post
    Ok great. Thank you for your help! I installed firmware. What should my next steps be? If you know of a thread that outlines the steps that would be great! Again I appreciate the help : )
    Also, I'm confused about what to input. When I go to Network Connections - Wireless - Add, it suggests that I should fill in SSID, the Mode, BSSID, MAC Address, MTU. Then there is a tab for wireless security and IPv4 settings. DHCP Client ID. I'm not sure what any of that means. I'm more so familiar with windows and how wireless is detected that way. I practically never had to mess with anything as it was automatically detected. I appreciate all of the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmest05 View Post
    Also, I'm confused about what to input. When I go to Network Connections - Wireless - Add, it suggests that I should fill in SSID, the Mode, BSSID, MAC Address, MTU. Then there is a tab for wireless security and IPv4 settings. DHCP Client ID. I'm not sure what any of that means. I'm more so familiar with windows and how wireless is detected that way. I practically never had to mess with anything as it was automatically detected. I appreciate all of the help
    You should only need to enter the SSID, (the name of your wireless access point) and a Password for encrypted networks, if you have one.
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    As with Windows, you do not normally have to fill in any of that stuff. It's been a long time since I've used Ubuntu's network manager, but usually, it should give you a list of available networks, select yours, enter in the encryption key, and you're good to go.

    Here is a little article on the network manager in Ubuntu 9.10 with a youtube video on how it looks.
    NetworkManager Gets Facelift for Karmic | WorksWithU

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTbob View Post
    You should only need to enter the SSID, (the name of your wireless access point) and a Password for encrypted networks, if you have one.
    Thanks for the response. I've tried that and I'm still not able to establish a wirless connection. I have Linux Mint 7 currently. I did have Kubuntu on this laptop. A friend of mine was kind enough to set it up for me. Well, anyway, to make a long story short I had a hard drive failure about two years ago and I just now got a new hard drive for my laptop. I installed the current version that I have, and my computer savvy friend is no longer around for me to ask questions. I appreciate the help : )

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    Does the network manager show your network?

    If you do
    Code:
    sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
    does it list available wireless networks?

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    Can you open a terminal window and post the output of this command please, preface it with sudo or login as root, whichever your system uses.
    Code:
    ifconfig
    In the network tool, did you check the box that says use DHCP? You more than likely want to use DHCP settings. Do you know if the system uses WEP or WPA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reed9 View Post
    Does the network manager show your network?

    If you do
    Code:
    sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
    does it list available wireless networks?
    I apologize about the delay in me getting back to you. This is what I get when I do that...

    Code:
    wlan0     Scan completed :
              Cell 01 - Address: 00:1E:E5:A1:F2:C9
                        ESSID:"BusterBear"
                        Mode:Master
                        Channel:1
                        Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
                        Quality=70/100  Signal level:-40 dBm  Noise level=-29 dBm
                        Encryption key:on
                        IE: Unknown: 000A42757374657242656172
                        IE: Unknown: 010882848B961224486C
                        IE: Unknown: 030101
                        IE: Unknown: 2A0104
                        IE: Unknown: 32040C183060
                        IE: Unknown: 2D1AEE1117FF000000010000000000000000000000000C0000000000
                        IE: Unknown: 3D1601050000000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: Unknown: 3E0100
                        IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101000003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F00
                        IE: Unknown: 7F0101
                        IE: Unknown: DD07000C4307000000
                        IE: Unknown: 0706545720010B10
                        IE: Unknown: DD1E00904C33EE1117FF000000010000000000000000000000000C0000000000
                        IE: Unknown: DD1A00904C3401050000000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: Unknown: DD930050F204104A0001101044000101103B000103104700102880288028801880A880001EE5A1F2C91021000C4C696E6B73797320496E632E1023001952616E6765506C757320576972656C65737320526F75746572102400065254323836301042000831323334353637381054000800060050F20400011011000E4C696E6B7379732057525431313010080002008A103C000101
                        Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s
                                  18 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s
                                  24 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
                        Extra:tsf=000009264980d7bb
                        Extra: Last beacon: 1492ms ago
              Cell 02 - Address: 00:11:50:F1:C2:16
                        ESSID:"Home network"
                        Mode:Master
                        Channel:11
                        Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11)
                        Quality=30/100  Signal level:-83 dBm  Noise level=-29 dBm
                        Encryption key:on
                        IE: Unknown: 000C486F6D65206E6574776F726B
                        IE: Unknown: 010482848B96
                        IE: Unknown: 03010B
                        IE: WPA Version 1
                            Group Cipher : TKIP
                            Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                            Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
                        IE: Unknown: 0406000200000000
                        IE: Unknown: 2A0100
                        IE: Unknown: 32080C1218243048606C
                        Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                                  9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                                  48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                        Extra:tsf=0000004088ac3177
                        Extra: Last beacon: 604ms ago
              Cell 03 - Address: 06:25:BC:89:49:A5
                        ESSID:"Guest Network"
                        Mode:Master
                        Channel:1
                        Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
                        Quality=26/100  Signal level:-86 dBm  Noise level=-29 dBm
                        Encryption key:on
                        IE: Unknown: 000D4775657374204E6574776F726B
                        IE: Unknown: 010882848B0C12961824
                        IE: Unknown: 030101
                        IE: Unknown: 0706555320010B1B
                        IE: Unknown: 200100
                        IE: Unknown: 2A0102
                        IE: Unknown: 32043048606C
                        IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
                            Group Cipher : TKIP
                            Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
                            Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
                        IE: Unknown: 2D1A0C101BFFFF000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: Unknown: 3D1601000800000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: WPA Version 1
                            Group Cipher : TKIP
                            Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                            Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
                        IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101060003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F00
                        IE: Unknown: DD07000393016C0008
                        Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s
                                  11 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                                  48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                        Extra:tsf=0000000155179164
                        Extra: Last beacon: 1476ms ago
              Cell 04 - Address: 00:25:BC:89:49:A5
                        ESSID:"Sharkdad"
                        Mode:Master
                        Channel:1
                        Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1)
                        Quality=33/100  Signal level:-79 dBm  Noise level=-29 dBm
                        Encryption key:on
                        IE: Unknown: 0008536861726B646164
                        IE: Unknown: 010882848B0C12961824
                        IE: Unknown: 030101
                        IE: Unknown: 0706555320010B1B
                        IE: Unknown: 200100
                        IE: Unknown: 2A0102
                        IE: Unknown: 32043048606C
                        IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
                            Group Cipher : TKIP
                            Pairwise Ciphers (2) : CCMP TKIP
                            Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
                        IE: Unknown: 2D1A0C101BFFFF000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: Unknown: 3D1601000800000000000000000000000000000000000000
                        IE: WPA Version 1
                            Group Cipher : TKIP
                            Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
                            Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
                        IE: Unknown: DD180050F2020101060003A4000027A4000042435E0062322F00
                        IE: Unknown: DD07000393016C0120
                        Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
                                  9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s
                                  48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
                        Extra:tsf=0000000155185180
                        Extra: Last beacon: 1480ms ago
              Cell 05 - Address: 00:16:B6:E5:FC:29
                        ESSID:"linksys"
                        Mode:Master
                        Channel:6
                        Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
                        Quality=26/100  Signal level:-86 dBm  Noise level=-29 dBm
                        Encryption key:off
                        IE: Unknown: 00076C696E6B737973
                        IE: Unknown: 010882848B962430486C
                        IE: Unknown: 030106
                        IE: Unknown: 2A0104
                        IE: Unknown: 2F0104
                        IE: Unknown: 32040C121860
                        IE: Unknown: DD060010180200F4
                        Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
                                  24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s
                                  12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s
                        Extra:tsf=0000002590ee6188
                        Extra: Last beacon: 1136ms ago
    Again I appreciate the help. I'm very novice when it comes to computers. If you could suggest reading material I'd like that as well. I'm trying to learn and become as independent as I can be, but even when it comes to learning I'm not sure where to look. Thanks : )

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